Re: CCIE R&S Discouraged

Correctly said Narbik!

Dumping & cheating gives people just a face value..

Real study and hardworks is what the real value, which cant be ever priced.

As per me personally giving an attempt at CCIE room, makes us or me a good
& better engineer than what i was before 8hours + all the months of
hardwork put in

Joe,
I am also chasing this dream certificate
Lets work hard and do this...all of us who are here on GS

-- 
Regards,
Raghava Rao
It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll.
I am the master of my fate:
I am the captain of my soul.
-- Taken from "Invictus" by William Ernest Henley
On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 11:33 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>wrote:
> I agree with everything Marko stated, with one addition, do not mention
> their names (The cheating sites) or give out any details in any forums
> regarding their sites, because all you are doing (*AND I know you do not
> mean to*) is promoting them.
>
> We all get frustrated, yes we do. Last week in Burbank i had a full class
> and we spent around 70 hours in the class doing labs and lecture, and these
> students worked VERY hard, and i mean very hard, and then you hear some
> people cheat AND make money in that process as well, you feel cheated and
> frustrated.
>
> But remember that these guys have to go for an interview and God forbid get
> a job, i guarantee that they can't cheat in the interview.
>
> Go back to your studies and start again. And i am sure that you will pass.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 9:05 AM, Imran Ali <immrccie_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > if you are thinking that cisco is least bothered with brain dumps ,
> > ....think again
> >
> > i completely  disagree with  you !
> >
> > 1)imagine , when poeple pass with dumps in first attempt . it is a loss
> to
> > cisco , as dumps prevented him/her attempting the next two attempts.
> >
> > As on avg it takes 3 attempts . (on avg)
> >
> > 2)further it is loss for training companies as well ,  including cisco
> 360
> > . As most people " might " say ...why take such expensive training when
> > their is " really " easy way ?
> >
> > 3)when cert is diluted ....which company is not worried ?
> >
> > on that note ...dont think cisco is freely throwing away the " expert "
> > title on any one using dumps ...
> >
> > my believe is proctors changes the labs on daily basis ...... if you say
> > labs are same , and do not chage with time , you probably promoting the
> > cheet sites
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 1:42 PM, Ahmed <ahmedsalim_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > According to Cisco, the Pass RATE hasn't decreased. So they are
> > > comfortable with the idea if candidates with absolutely no
> determination
> > > passes on his 3rd attempt using these materials. Cisco is getting
> their $
> > > and flooding the market with their representatives, which equals to
> more
> > > cisco products being sold as more and more "certified" ppl are
> available
> > in
> > > the market than their competitors.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, 04 Dec 2011 14:17:28 +0400, John Pelletier <
> > > john.pelletier_at_altima-group.**com <john.pelletier_at_altima-group.com>>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >  Joe, I personally reported a testing center that was selling exams
> > >> directly
> > >> from the database to people AND
> > >> the person who owned it was paying people to
> > >> take exams for others. And guess what? Cisco did NOTHING
> > >>  it is all about the
> > >> money. Cisco makes lots of money off of the certification program,
> > >> recerts,
> > >> books,
> > >> training etc etc etc.
> > >> Is cheating devaluing the cert? Absolutely. You
> > >> would hope the cheaters
> > >> would be exposed in the end via job performance,
> > >> interview or whatever
> > >> but don't hold your breath. At least you can look
> > >> yourself in the mirror when you earn yours.
> > >> ______________________________**__
> > >>  From: Joe Sanchez <marco207p_at_gmail.com>
> > >> To:
> > >> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> > >> Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 9:38 AM
> > >> Subject: CCIE
> > >> R&S Discouraged
> > >> All,
> > >>
> > >> I wanted to send a quick email out to all of you to
> > >> get your take, and to
> > >> hopefully give me some words of wisdom.
> > >>
> > >> I recently took
> > >> my CCIE R&S Lab exam at RTP on Nov 9, 2011; I failed and
> > >> I'm ok with that, I
> > >> knew going into the exam that I was not 100% however I
> > >> scheduled the lab
> > >> months prior, set my goals and tried to reach them before
> > >> taking the lab.  I
> > >> fell behind on a few of the goals that I set prior to
> > >> taking the exam, but I
> > >> felt I needed to go ahead and take the lab and get
> > >> the butterflies and overall
> > >> anxiety out of my system.
> > >>
> > >> I know what I need to do, so that my next attempt
> > >> at the lab is successful,
> > >> and I'm working on those now.
> > >>
> > >> So here is the part
> > >> were my discouragement comes into play and really my
> > >> overall mindset to stop
> > >> studying for this exam and move on with my life, as
> > >> we all know that studying
> > >> for the CCIE takes away your life for a while.
> > >> I've been studying for the CCIE
> > >> off and on for almost 2yrs, and there have
> > >> been a few breaks in my studies as
> > >> I have family and work obligations like
> > >> most of you all, "i digress".
> > >>
> > >> I came
> > >> back from RTP and I had a few questions on my lab that I absolutely
> > >> had no
> > >> freakin clue, so I set out looking through the CCO Doc CD and trying
> > >> to figure
> > >> out the answers to the questions  and I read every page on this
> > >> particular
> > >> subject however, I couldn't find solutions the lab wanted.  So I
> > >> set out in
> > >> the world of google and began using search strings to find my
> > >> answer, and what
> > >> do you know I found several scenarios from people that
> > >> were pretty close, so I
> > >> modified my search string and began my
> > >> seek-and-find again.  After searching
> > >> for a few minutes more for my answer,
> > >> up pops a website URL in Chinese that
> > >> redirects me to a website that has a
> > >> document in adobe web viewer so I think
> > >> lets read this and see what I
> > >> find.  I begin to read the document and see that
> > >> it is a lab and as I
> > >> scroll down I begin to see the network topology and
> > >> physical and logical
> > >> layout and the beginning general guideline requirements
> > >> and I say to myself
> > >> "wow, this is very familiar" as I continue reading I again
> > >> say " this is
> > >> way to close" and as I scroll down I see a topology that looks
> > >> exactly like
> > >> the topology I had on my Lab, so I stop... dig out my notebook,
> > >> "they one I
> > >> drew my LAB topology in, at the airport after my LAB exam" and I
> > >> say "What
> > >> the hell" this topology is 100% exact to my LAB in RTP and not only
> > >> that
> > >> but 100% ip addressing, vlan names and numbers, IGP AS numbers, BGP AS
> > >> numbers, "yes" i continued to read and yes everything, again
> everything
> > >> was
> > >> 100% my LAB " I found the answer to my question".  So I stopped...
> > stared
> > >> at
> > >> the wall for hmmm... a long time then said "Why" Why do I nearly kill
> > >> myself
> > >> studying trying to get these digits when people are out there
> > >> cheating, but
> > >> not only cheating but killing the reputation of a Expert
> > >> community because
> > >> they feel that if they get the Digits they can make more
> > >> money than what they
> > >> deserve.  So I went home, because I don't study at
> > >> home as this is distraction
> > >> most of them, and I asked myself the entire
> > >> ride home to whether or not a
> > >> should continue.
> > >>
> > >> So I suppose my Question is to the whole community here is
> > >> "should we even
> > >> continue", I've spent thousands or dollars getting equipment,
> > >> labbooks,
> > >> video's not to mention the hours, but what is the point if people
> > >> are
> > >> cheating and Employers know that people are cheating, and I've seen
> this
> > >> over the last few years that some CCIE's don't have a clue.
> > >>
> > >> I'm frustrated,
> > >> p'd off, and discouraged.
> > >>
> > >> I await your thoughts and reply's.
> > >>
> > >> Please do not
> > >> email me or request that I give you the website or name of
> > >> the company that is
> > >> supplying the exact labs, as I will make you publicly
> > >> known for asking in this
> > >> email group and forums.  Really it's not worth it.
> > >>
> > >> Joe Sanchez (Chicago, IL)
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