Re: CCIE R&S Discouraged

Testing center is through Vue more so than Cisco. I know some of the
people involved with that part as well.

Cisco as a company will not go directly after them. Pearson/Vue has an
entire department though about gathering evidence and building a case
against them. Keep reporting things you know/see/document, and be
assured that someone is paying attention!

Yes, it's an economic thing, no doubt. At the same time, much research
has to go in to whether it's a single person or an entire company, and
how to build the legal case and be ready. Resources are precious ($$),
and why waste them if you can't win or make an impact.

Unfortunately, justice isn't necessarily swift, but that doesn't mean
it's not happening! :)

The CCIE program though, is completely within Cisco's "jurisdiction", so
it's different!

*Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,

CCDE #2009::D, CCNP-Voice, JNCIE-SP #153, JNCIE-ER #102, CISSP, et al.

CCSI #21903, JNCI-SP, JNCI-ER

swm_at_emanon.com

Knowledge is power.

Power corrupts.

Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......

On 12/4/11 5:17 AM, John Pelletier wrote:
> Joe, I personally reported a testing center that was selling exams directly
> from the database to people AND
> the person who owned it was paying people to
> take exams for others. And guess what? Cisco did NOTHING
> it is all about the
> money. Cisco makes lots of money off of the certification program, recerts,
> books,
> training etc etc etc.
> Is cheating devaluing the cert? Absolutely. You
> would hope the cheaters
> would be exposed in the end via job performance,
> interview or whatever
> but don't hold your breath. At least you can look
> yourself in the mirror when you earn yours.
> ________________________________
> From: Joe Sanchez <marco207p_at_gmail.com>
> To:
> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 9:38 AM
> Subject: CCIE
> R&S Discouraged
>
> All,
>
> I wanted to send a quick email out to all of you to
> get your take, and to
> hopefully give me some words of wisdom.
>
> I recently took
> my CCIE R&S Lab exam at RTP on Nov 9, 2011; I failed and
> I'm ok with that, I
> knew going into the exam that I was not 100% however I
> scheduled the lab
> months prior, set my goals and tried to reach them before
> taking the lab. I
> fell behind on a few of the goals that I set prior to
> taking the exam, but I
> felt I needed to go ahead and take the lab and get
> the butterflies and overall
> anxiety out of my system.
>
> I know what I need to do, so that my next attempt
> at the lab is successful,
> and I'm working on those now.
>
> So here is the part
> were my discouragement comes into play and really my
> overall mindset to stop
> studying for this exam and move on with my life, as
> we all know that studying
> for the CCIE takes away your life for a while.
> I've been studying for the CCIE
> off and on for almost 2yrs, and there have
> been a few breaks in my studies as
> I have family and work obligations like
> most of you all, "i digress".
>
> I came
> back from RTP and I had a few questions on my lab that I absolutely
> had no
> freakin clue, so I set out looking through the CCO Doc CD and trying
> to figure
> out the answers to the questions and I read every page on this
> particular
> subject however, I couldn't find solutions the lab wanted. So I
> set out in
> the world of google and began using search strings to find my
> answer, and what
> do you know I found several scenarios from people that
> were pretty close, so I
> modified my search string and began my
> seek-and-find again. After searching
> for a few minutes more for my answer,
> up pops a website URL in Chinese that
> redirects me to a website that has a
> document in adobe web viewer so I think
> lets read this and see what I
> find. I begin to read the document and see that
> it is a lab and as I
> scroll down I begin to see the network topology and
> physical and logical
> layout and the beginning general guideline requirements
> and I say to myself
> "wow, this is very familiar" as I continue reading I again
> say " this is
> way to close" and as I scroll down I see a topology that looks
> exactly like
> the topology I had on my Lab, so I stop... dig out my notebook,
> "they one I
> drew my LAB topology in, at the airport after my LAB exam" and I
> say "What
> the hell" this topology is 100% exact to my LAB in RTP and not only
> that
> but 100% ip addressing, vlan names and numbers, IGP AS numbers, BGP AS
> numbers, "yes" i continued to read and yes everything, again everything was
> 100% my LAB " I found the answer to my question". So I stopped... stared
> at
> the wall for hmmm... a long time then said "Why" Why do I nearly kill
> myself
> studying trying to get these digits when people are out there
> cheating, but
> not only cheating but killing the reputation of a Expert
> community because
> they feel that if they get the Digits they can make more
> money than what they
> deserve. So I went home, because I don't study at
> home as this is distraction
> most of them, and I asked myself the entire
> ride home to whether or not a
> should continue.
>
> So I suppose my Question is to the whole community here is
> "should we even
> continue", I've spent thousands or dollars getting equipment,
> labbooks,
> video's not to mention the hours, but what is the point if people
> are
> cheating and Employers know that people are cheating, and I've seen this
> over the last few years that some CCIE's don't have a clue.
>
> I'm frustrated,
> p'd off, and discouraged.
>
> I await your thoughts and reply's.
>
> Please do not
> email me or request that I give you the website or name of
> the company that is
> supplying the exact labs, as I will make you publicly
> known for asking in this
> email group and forums. Really it's not worth it.
>
> Joe Sanchez (Chicago, IL)
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