Re: Company want CCIE, but they don't support my efforts

if u have a CCIE it values a lot for u and ur company ...... Think i
want to ask is my number is currently associated to my co. And if
leave how many days do i have to wait to associate it to another co.

On 12/09/2011, Martin Schumacher <martin1.schumacher_at_googlemail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> if you search for a Cisco Reseller who is paying Trainings and the Exam...I
> could help :-)
>
> Greetings
>
> Martin
>
> 2011/9/12 Radioactive Frog <pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com>
>
>> Job hunt is the answer- find a company that is willing to pay your exam
>> cost. To be able to get this, I think you need to offer these type of
>> company more than just the "regular" skill-set.
>> Not just the RnS but like Vmware, security and other skill set upfront.
>>
>> $20k is huge.. buy shares and in 6 months they might go up by 50% :)
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 9:36 PM, Calin C. <calin_at_engineer.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Thanks for your opinion,
>> >
>> > I don't feel that it's mandatory to attend a bootcamp. The work
>> environment
>> > is pretty challenging and combined with my spare time practice will be a
>> > pretty good hands-on support for my lab exam.
>> > The bootcamp came into discussion with my company as they inquire about
>> my
>> > ongoing preparation with CCIE.
>> > They didn't want to pay for my rack equipments (which I paid by my own)
>> so
>> > I've suggested them to pay for a bootcamp (the lower cost one, aprox.
>> 2.200
>> > euro).
>> >
>> > Reading your suggestions now, I took the decision to continue on my own,
>> > with my own rack and I'll buy the workbooks from a ccie training
>> > provider
>> (I
>> > don't want to give the name to start a flame discussion about which is
>> > best). I'll try the next 3 months to prepare hard and then if I'm not
>> happy
>> > with my progress I'll check for a bootcamp of 5 days (if there will be
>> any
>> > available in Europe, to reduce travel costs). I have no doubt that a
>> > bootcamp can add valuable know-how, but right now the above approach fit
>> > best my needs and the costs are acceptable.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Calin
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: farhan.anwar_at_gmail.com
>> > > Sent: 09/12/11 01:14 PM
>> > > To: shiran guez, Calin C.
>> > > Subject: Re: Company want CCIE, but they don't support my efforts
>> > >
>> > > Calin,
>> > >
>> > > I did my CCIE by utilising online bootcamps and mock labs that are
>> > offered from many vendors. Save on the travelling and hotel costs, take
>> the
>> > online bootcamp from your home, if you feel you need it.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > HTH,
>> > >
>> > > Farhan Anwar
>> > >
>> > > Sent from my BlackBerryB. smartphone from du
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > >
>> > > From: shiran guez <shiranp3_at_gmail.com>
>> > >
>> > > Sender: nobody_at_groupstudy.com
>> > >
>> > > Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 12:43:03
>> > >
>> > > To: Calin C.<calin_at_engineer.com>
>> > >
>> > > Reply-To: shiran guez <shiranp3_at_gmail.com>
>> > >
>> > > Cc: <daniel.dib_at_reaper.nu>; <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>> > >
>> > > Subject: Re: Company want CCIE, but they don't support my efforts
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > 20K Euro is a lot of money, a boot-camp will speed your process to
>> become
>> > a
>> > >
>> > > CCIE but is it worth 20K I think it depends who need it and how fast
>> when
>> > a
>> > >
>> > > Cisco Partner need a CCIE and he decide to promote one of his workers
>> he
>> > >
>> > > will send them to boot-camp because it is fast and he will get
>> > >
>> > > the investment back relativly fast, however if you personally doing it
>> I
>> > am
>> > >
>> > > not sure you are going to pay back your investment that fast.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > I have done my CCIE without boot-camp' in total including
>> > >
>> > > learning martial labs transatlantic flights 2 attempts and hotel's it
>> > cost
>> > >
>> > > me ~7000USD may be a little less.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > good luck
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Calin C. <calin_at_engineer.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > Hello Daniel,
>> > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > > "...but if
>> > >
>> > > > > B the CCIE does nothing for them..."
>> > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > > Maybe I have to add some clarification. I'm being sold by my hiring
>> > company
>> > >
>> > > > as a consultant (or external partner) to other companies. Maybe I'm
>> not
>> > into
>> > >
>> > > > marketing stuff, but I think selling a CCIE worth more than selling
>> > > > a
>> > CCNP /
>> > >
>> > > > CCIP :)
>> > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > > So, event if they don't have a plan to go further on with Cisco
>> > >
>> > > > partnership, I think they will gain something from my increased
>> > knowledge.
>> > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > > Thanks for reply!
>> > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > > Cheers,
>> > >
>> > > > Calin
>> > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > >
>> > > > > From: daniel.dib_at_reaper.nu
>> > >
>> > > > > Sent: 09/12/11 11:02 AM
>> > >
>> > > > > To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>> > >
>> > > > > Subject: Re: Company want CCIE, but they don't support my efforts
>> > >
>> > > > >
>> > >
>> > > > > On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 04:09:08 -0400, Calin C. wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > > > Hello all,
>> > >
>> > > > > >
>> > >
>> > > > > > I have here an ethical problem, more than a technical one and I
>> > said
>> > >
>> > > > > > to ask you guys, maybe somebody can give me an advice.
>> > >
>> > > > > >
>> > >
>> > > > > > Scenario is the following.
>> > >
>> > > > > >
>> > >
>> > > > > > For some time now I've been preparing for CCIE entirely on my
>> > > > > > own
>> > >
>> > > > > > costs (learning in my spare time, rack rental / equipment
>> > >
>> > > > > > acquisition,
>> > >
>> > > > > > exam fee, accomodation, travel...).I sit to an exam a while ago
>> > >
>> > > > > > (about
>> > >
>> > > > > > a year) and fail. Came back home and start preparing again.
>> > >
>> > > > > >
>> > >
>> > > > > > Now I want to sit to another lab in some months and I was
>> thinking
>> > >
>> > > > > > that maybe a bootcamp will help. I've ask around some friends
>> > > > > > and
>> > one
>> > >
>> > > > > > of them confirmed that he was in a bootcamp (company name not
>> > >
>> > > > > > important, location Germany) and costs were about 20.000 euro (
>> > > > > > 3
>> > >
>> > > > > > weeks bootcamp, accomodation, travel...). This is a lot of money
>> > for
>> > >
>> > > > > > me and I was thinking to ask my company to support me. I've
>> > > > > > found
>> a
>> > >
>> > > > > > cheaper bootcamp (5 days around 2.200 euro + accomodation and
>> > travel,
>> > >
>> > > > > > let's say up to 3.500 euro). I've presented the above numbers to
>> my
>> > >
>> > > > > > company and their answer was that they are willing to support
>> > > > > > me,
>> > but
>> > >
>> > > > > > only for the efective cost of the exam itself.
>> > >
>> > > > > >
>> > >
>> > > > > > Maybe it's important to say that I have other certifications
>> (CCNP,
>> > >
>> > > > > > CCIP, CXFS...) which are registered to my company for Cisco
>> > >
>> > > > > > partnership.
>> > >
>> > > > > >
>> > >
>> > > > > > Finally we arrive to my issue:
>> > >
>> > > > > >
>> > >
>> > > > > > I will keep on supporting my way to CCIE on my own costs (let's
>> say
>> > >
>> > > > > > that the 5 days bootcamp I could afford to pay by my own, or buy
>> > the
>> > >
>> > > > > > workbooks and practice on my own rack). I this case, my question
>> > is,
>> > >
>> > > > > > if I will get a CCIE number, this will be automatically assigned
>> to
>> > >
>> > > > > > the company that I'm registered with? I've tried to explain to
>> them
>> > >
>> > > > > > that if this is the case, I would find it a little bit unfair to
>> > use
>> > >
>> > > > > > my number. The cost of the exam itself is nothing compared to
>> > > > > > the
>> > >
>> > > > > > rest
>> > >
>> > > > > > of efforts.
>> > >
>> > > > > >
>> > >
>> > > > > > Please don't get me wrong. I'm fully satisfied with the company
>> > that
>> > >
>> > > > > > I'm working on and I don't want to leave it. From financial and
>> > >
>> > > > > > social
>> > >
>> > > > > > perspective I'm happy with my position. I just want them to
>> > >
>> > > > > > understand
>> > >
>> > > > > > that nothing in life is free and CCIE comes with a costs that I
>> > have
>> > >
>> > > > > > to either recover somehow or they need to sponsor my efforts.
>> > >
>> > > > > >
>> > >
>> > > > > > Any input will be appreciated (especially to my question about
>> CCIE
>> > >
>> > > > > > number - company relationship).
>> > >
>> > > > > >
>> > >
>> > > > > > Thanks for reading this long e-mail!
>> > >
>> > > > > >
>> > >
>> > > > > > Calin
>> > >
>> > > > >
>> > >
>> > > > > B Use the Partner Self Service tool available from the Partner
>> portal
>> > to
>> > >
>> > > > > B see if you are assigned to a company. If you are then I suppose
>> the
>> > >
>> > > > CCIE
>> > >
>> > > > > B will automatically be accredited to that company. Going to a 20k
>> > >
>> > > > > B bootcamp seems like a waste, many people do pass the lab without
>> a
>> > >
>> > > > > B bootcamp. If you want to go to one go for one that is for a
>> > > > > week.
>> > That
>> > >
>> > > > > B should be enough. Does your company need your CCIE to acheive a
>> > certain
>> > >
>> > > > > B partner level? Maybe they don't and then they are not that
>> > interested
>> > >
>> > > > in
>> > >
>> > > > > B paying for it? They should still pay you for the competence and
>> > skills
>> > >
>> > > > > B you have achieved when becoming a CCIE through a higher salary
>> but
>> > if
>> > >
>> > > > > B the CCIE does nothing for them partnerwise maybe they are
>> reluctant
>> > to
>> > >
>> > > > > B pay costs for it. Just trying to get a grip of your situation.
>> > >
>> > > > >
>> > >
>> > > > > B /Daniel
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>> > > Shiran Guez
>> > >
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