Re: Company want CCIE, but they don't support my efforts

Hi,

if you search for a Cisco Reseller who is paying Trainings and the Exam...I
could help :-)

Greetings

Martin

2011/9/12 Radioactive Frog <pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com>

> Job hunt is the answer- find a company that is willing to pay your exam
> cost. To be able to get this, I think you need to offer these type of
> company more than just the "regular" skill-set.
> Not just the RnS but like Vmware, security and other skill set upfront.
>
> $20k is huge.. buy shares and in 6 months they might go up by 50% :)
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 9:36 PM, Calin C. <calin_at_engineer.com> wrote:
>
> > Thanks for your opinion,
> >
> > I don't feel that it's mandatory to attend a bootcamp. The work
> environment
> > is pretty challenging and combined with my spare time practice will be a
> > pretty good hands-on support for my lab exam.
> > The bootcamp came into discussion with my company as they inquire about
> my
> > ongoing preparation with CCIE.
> > They didn't want to pay for my rack equipments (which I paid by my own)
> so
> > I've suggested them to pay for a bootcamp (the lower cost one, aprox.
> 2.200
> > euro).
> >
> > Reading your suggestions now, I took the decision to continue on my own,
> > with my own rack and I'll buy the workbooks from a ccie training provider
> (I
> > don't want to give the name to start a flame discussion about which is
> > best). I'll try the next 3 months to prepare hard and then if I'm not
> happy
> > with my progress I'll check for a bootcamp of 5 days (if there will be
> any
> > available in Europe, to reduce travel costs). I have no doubt that a
> > bootcamp can add valuable know-how, but right now the above approach fit
> > best my needs and the costs are acceptable.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Calin
> >
> >
> >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: farhan.anwar_at_gmail.com
> > > Sent: 09/12/11 01:14 PM
> > > To: shiran guez, Calin C.
> > > Subject: Re: Company want CCIE, but they don't support my efforts
> > >
> > > Calin,
> > >
> > > I did my CCIE by utilising online bootcamps and mock labs that are
> > offered from many vendors. Save on the travelling and hotel costs, take
> the
> > online bootcamp from your home, if you feel you need it.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > HTH,
> > >
> > > Farhan Anwar
> > >
> > > Sent from my BlackBerryB. smartphone from du
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > >
> > > From: shiran guez <shiranp3_at_gmail.com>
> > >
> > > Sender: nobody_at_groupstudy.com
> > >
> > > Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 12:43:03
> > >
> > > To: Calin C.<calin_at_engineer.com>
> > >
> > > Reply-To: shiran guez <shiranp3_at_gmail.com>
> > >
> > > Cc: <daniel.dib_at_reaper.nu>; <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> > >
> > > Subject: Re: Company want CCIE, but they don't support my efforts
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 20K Euro is a lot of money, a boot-camp will speed your process to
> become
> > a
> > >
> > > CCIE but is it worth 20K I think it depends who need it and how fast
> when
> > a
> > >
> > > Cisco Partner need a CCIE and he decide to promote one of his workers
> he
> > >
> > > will send them to boot-camp because it is fast and he will get
> > >
> > > the investment back relativly fast, however if you personally doing it
> I
> > am
> > >
> > > not sure you are going to pay back your investment that fast.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I have done my CCIE without boot-camp' in total including
> > >
> > > learning martial labs transatlantic flights 2 attempts and hotel's it
> > cost
> > >
> > > me ~7000USD may be a little less.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > good luck
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Calin C. <calin_at_engineer.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hello Daniel,
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > "...but if
> > >
> > > > > B the CCIE does nothing for them..."
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Maybe I have to add some clarification. I'm being sold by my hiring
> > company
> > >
> > > > as a consultant (or external partner) to other companies. Maybe I'm
> not
> > into
> > >
> > > > marketing stuff, but I think selling a CCIE worth more than selling a
> > CCNP /
> > >
> > > > CCIP :)
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > So, event if they don't have a plan to go further on with Cisco
> > >
> > > > partnership, I think they will gain something from my increased
> > knowledge.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Thanks for reply!
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > > Calin
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > >
> > > > > From: daniel.dib_at_reaper.nu
> > >
> > > > > Sent: 09/12/11 11:02 AM
> > >
> > > > > To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> > >
> > > > > Subject: Re: Company want CCIE, but they don't support my efforts
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 04:09:08 -0400, Calin C. wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > Hello all,
> > >
> > > > > >
> > >
> > > > > > I have here an ethical problem, more than a technical one and I
> > said
> > >
> > > > > > to ask you guys, maybe somebody can give me an advice.
> > >
> > > > > >
> > >
> > > > > > Scenario is the following.
> > >
> > > > > >
> > >
> > > > > > For some time now I've been preparing for CCIE entirely on my own
> > >
> > > > > > costs (learning in my spare time, rack rental / equipment
> > >
> > > > > > acquisition,
> > >
> > > > > > exam fee, accomodation, travel...).I sit to an exam a while ago
> > >
> > > > > > (about
> > >
> > > > > > a year) and fail. Came back home and start preparing again.
> > >
> > > > > >
> > >
> > > > > > Now I want to sit to another lab in some months and I was
> thinking
> > >
> > > > > > that maybe a bootcamp will help. I've ask around some friends and
> > one
> > >
> > > > > > of them confirmed that he was in a bootcamp (company name not
> > >
> > > > > > important, location Germany) and costs were about 20.000 euro ( 3
> > >
> > > > > > weeks bootcamp, accomodation, travel...). This is a lot of money
> > for
> > >
> > > > > > me and I was thinking to ask my company to support me. I've found
> a
> > >
> > > > > > cheaper bootcamp (5 days around 2.200 euro + accomodation and
> > travel,
> > >
> > > > > > let's say up to 3.500 euro). I've presented the above numbers to
> my
> > >
> > > > > > company and their answer was that they are willing to support me,
> > but
> > >
> > > > > > only for the efective cost of the exam itself.
> > >
> > > > > >
> > >
> > > > > > Maybe it's important to say that I have other certifications
> (CCNP,
> > >
> > > > > > CCIP, CXFS...) which are registered to my company for Cisco
> > >
> > > > > > partnership.
> > >
> > > > > >
> > >
> > > > > > Finally we arrive to my issue:
> > >
> > > > > >
> > >
> > > > > > I will keep on supporting my way to CCIE on my own costs (let's
> say
> > >
> > > > > > that the 5 days bootcamp I could afford to pay by my own, or buy
> > the
> > >
> > > > > > workbooks and practice on my own rack). I this case, my question
> > is,
> > >
> > > > > > if I will get a CCIE number, this will be automatically assigned
> to
> > >
> > > > > > the company that I'm registered with? I've tried to explain to
> them
> > >
> > > > > > that if this is the case, I would find it a little bit unfair to
> > use
> > >
> > > > > > my number. The cost of the exam itself is nothing compared to the
> > >
> > > > > > rest
> > >
> > > > > > of efforts.
> > >
> > > > > >
> > >
> > > > > > Please don't get me wrong. I'm fully satisfied with the company
> > that
> > >
> > > > > > I'm working on and I don't want to leave it. From financial and
> > >
> > > > > > social
> > >
> > > > > > perspective I'm happy with my position. I just want them to
> > >
> > > > > > understand
> > >
> > > > > > that nothing in life is free and CCIE comes with a costs that I
> > have
> > >
> > > > > > to either recover somehow or they need to sponsor my efforts.
> > >
> > > > > >
> > >
> > > > > > Any input will be appreciated (especially to my question about
> CCIE
> > >
> > > > > > number - company relationship).
> > >
> > > > > >
> > >
> > > > > > Thanks for reading this long e-mail!
> > >
> > > > > >
> > >
> > > > > > Calin
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > B Use the Partner Self Service tool available from the Partner
> portal
> > to
> > >
> > > > > B see if you are assigned to a company. If you are then I suppose
> the
> > >
> > > > CCIE
> > >
> > > > > B will automatically be accredited to that company. Going to a 20k
> > >
> > > > > B bootcamp seems like a waste, many people do pass the lab without
> a
> > >
> > > > > B bootcamp. If you want to go to one go for one that is for a week.
> > That
> > >
> > > > > B should be enough. Does your company need your CCIE to acheive a
> > certain
> > >
> > > > > B partner level? Maybe they don't and then they are not that
> > interested
> > >
> > > > in
> > >
> > > > > B paying for it? They should still pay you for the competence and
> > skills
> > >
> > > > > B you have achieved when becoming a CCIE through a higher salary
> but
> > if
> > >
> > > > > B the CCIE does nothing for them partnerwise maybe they are
> reluctant
> > to
> > >
> > > > > B pay costs for it. Just trying to get a grip of your situation.
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > B /Daniel
> > >
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