RE: OT: CCDE - how to study and chances to pass it

Changed Positions, took a different role, found a different job. Of course
it didn't last very long it appears.

David

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Morris [mailto:swm_at_emanon.com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 10:34 AM
> To: David Prall
> Cc: 'Abraham, Tharak'; 'Antonio Soares'; 'Ronnie Angello';
> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: OT: CCDE - how to study and chances to pass it
> 
> Changed positions?   So he's facing left now?  ;)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Scott Morris, CCIEx4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,
> 
> CCDE #2009::D, CCNP-Voice, JNCIE-SP #153, JNCIE-ER #102, CISSP, et al.
> 
> CCSI #21903, JNCI-SP, JNCI-ER
> 
> swm_at_emanon.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Knowledge is power.
> 
> Power corrupts.
> 
> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
> 
> 
> On 8/25/11 10:29 AM, David Prall wrote:
> 
> 	Alvaro Retana and Khalid Raza both left earlier in the year.
> 
> 	John Cavanaugh had just changed positions, perhaps it wasn't the
> correct
> 	decision.
> 
> 	Russ White is still at Cisco, was on a call with him a couple of
> days ago.
> 
> 	David
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 		-----Original Message-----
> 		From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com]
> On Behalf Of
> 		Abraham, Tharak
> 		Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 10:15 PM
> 		To: Antonio Soares
> 		Cc: Ronnie Angello; Scott Morris; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> 		Subject: Re: OT: CCDE - how to study and chances to pass it
> 
> 		Alvaro Retana, Khalid Raza, John Cavanaugh were all CCArs
> with Cisco.
> 		First two are confirmed to be with HP ;)
> 
> 		Best Regards,
> 		Tharak Abraham Luke
> 
> 
> 		On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 7:58 PM, Antonio Soares
> <amsoares_at_netcabo.pt> <mailto:amsoares_at_netcabo.pt>
> 		wrote:
> 
> 
> 			I'm curious, who are those that left Cisco ?
> 
> 			Regards,
> 
> 			Antonio Soares, CCIE #18473 (R&S/SP)
> 			amsoares_at_netcabo.pt
> 			http://www.ccie18473.net
> 
> 
> 			-----Original Message-----
> 			From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com
> [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> 
> 		Of
> 
> 			Ronnie Angello
> 			Sent: quarta-feira, 10 de Agosto de 2011 13:49
> 			To: Scott Morris
> 			Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> 			Subject: Re: OT: CCDE - how to study and chances to
> pass it
> 
> 			Scott,
> 
> 			Is the October delivery of the exam going to be the
> revised version,
> 
> 		or can
> 
> 			you even share that info?  The cl10 Techtorial
hinted
> at some
> 
> 		changes, like
> 
> 			the reduction of the number of work models
> (scenarios) from 6 to 4,
> 
> 		among
> 
> 			other things.  I also recall Russ mentioning that
> some technologies
> 
> 		(IS-IS,
> 
> 			IPv6?) were being removed as well...  Since then I
> have heard
> 
> 		conflicting
> 
> 			information from the CCDE team, and it has been over
> a year, so I'm
> 
> 		not
> 
> 			sure
> 			what to expect.
> 
> 			I would prefer to wait until the exam is updated to
> try again (4th
> 
> 		time
> 
> 			/sigh), so any insight would be much appreciated.
Of
> course with
> 
> 		much of
> 
> 			the original team now having left Cisco, and little
> being known about
> 
> 		how
> 
> 			the cert will be made more valuable in the industry,
> it raises a lot
> 
> 		of
> 
> 			questions about the future of the CCDE.  I'm kind of
> on the fence
> 
> 		about
> 
> 			continuing to pursue it at this point, but I do have
> hope now that
> 
> 		there is
> 
> 			a new team, fresh content, etc...
> 
> 			Thanks,
> 			Ronnie
> 			On Aug 10, 2011 8:23 AM, "Scott Morris"
> <swm_at_emanon.com> <mailto:swm_at_emanon.com>  wrote:
> 
> 				I would not recommend reading 50 books.
You'll
> be bored out of your
> 				mind. Pick some. Probably doesn't matter
which
> ones. But go through
> 				them, particularly ones with case studies
and
> read them for the
> 
> 		"why"
> 
> 				part about what was chosen.
> 
> 				It's ok to argue with the books (don't
expect
> much response
> 
> 		though).
> 
> 				The idea is to question until you can come
to
> an understanding
> 
> 		based
> 
> 				upon what criteria was laid out to you why
they
> picked the path
> 
> 		they did.
> 
> 
> 				That's the whole thing about the CCDE lab.
In
> network design, there
> 
> 		are
> 
> 				many plausible answers. However, there are
> better answers based on
> 				business criteria or financial/political
ones.
> And that's what you
> 
> 		have
> 
> 				to sift through.
> 
> 				The hard part both for the exam and for
> recommending reading
> 
> 		anything is
> 
> 				that this is geared towards (and says on the
> description pages)
> 
> 		people
> 
> 				with 8-10 years experience. You really can't
> substitute experience.
> 				You can get lucky sometimes, but
statistically
> it's not easy to do
> 
> 		for
> 
> 				the whole exam.
> 
> 				But reading for the "why" rather than
reading
> for learning a
> 
> 		technology
> 
> 				is something that takes more time and a bit
of
> practice.
> 
> 				Is the CCIE SP a path for the CCDE? Not
really,
> although it exposes
> 
> 		you
> 
> 				to more technologies that you can start
> thinking about in a design
> 				environment. And once you know HOW they
work,
> then it's part way to
> 				figuring out WHY to use or not use a
particular
> set.
> 
> 				We had some long debates about what topics
to
> put in or keep in the
> 
> 		CCDE
> 
> 				when revising it. And there will still be a
mix
> that touches
> 
> 		service
> 
> 				provider as well as enterprise and
> commercial/small business. So
> 
> 		know
> 
> 				the technologies (how) and concentrate your
> reading on the when to
> 
> 		use
> 
> 				them (why).
> 
> 				HTH,
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 				*Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-
> Dial/Security/Service Provider)
> 
> 		#4713,
> 
> 
> 				CCDE #2009::D, JNCIE-M #153, JNCIE-ER #102,
> CISSP, et al.
> 
> 				CCSI #21903, JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
> 
> 				swm_at_emanon.com
> 
> 
> 				Knowledge is power.
> 
> 				Power corrupts.
> 
> 				Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
> 
> 
> 				On 8/10/11 2:33 AM, Roger Pfdffli wrote:
> 
> 					Hi Travis (and all the rest),
> 
> 					I agree but all the information
regarding
> the SPv3 has been very
> 
> 		very
> 
> 					helpful (and since I've also
mentioned
> the SPv3 in my initial
> 
> 		post, I'm
> 
> 					happy about the replies).
> 
> 					Now we know officially that at least
INE
> will "fully" support the
> 
> 		new
> 
> 			SPv3
> 
> 					including rack rentals, workbooks,
> classes covering also IOS-XR.
> 
> 		I'm
> 
> 					waiting since 1.5 year to hear such
a
> thing and I've already lost
> 
> 		the
> 
> 			hope
> 
> 					that someone will ever support it,
since
> (as mentioned earlier)
> 
> 		just a
> 
> 			few
> 
> 					weeks/months ago all vendors told
that
> they will not support SPv3
> 
> 		at
> 
> 			all.
> 
> 					So cool, the game is open again :-)
> 
> 					But now, regarding the CCDE (which
I've
> asked for), I do agree
> 
> 		with you.
> 
> 					The link from Brian pointing to the
very
> helpful and interesting
> 
> 		Blog
> 
> 			from
> 
> 					Petr, including all the reading
stuff,
> does not fully answer my
> 
> 			question.
> 
> 					I would also be very interested to
hear
> from people who have
> 
> 		attended
> 
> 			(and
> 
> 					maybe also passed) the CCDE lab, how
they
> have prepared. I think
> 
> 		(hope)
> 
> 					that there is more strategy than
just
> reading 50 books and bring
> 
> 		lots of
> 
> 					experience. So please all CCDE's out
> there, let us know your
> 
> 		ideas!!
> 
> 
> 					Personally I'm still not 100% sure
which
> path to take, CCDE or
> 
> 		SPv3, and
> 
> 					which one is "better" for the future
> because I somewhat have to
> 
> 		agree
> 
> 			with
> 
> 					the things Narbik said. There is not
a
> very high demand after SPv3
> 
> 		and
> 
> 					maybe it is more helpful to have
> "another" cert like CCDE instead
> 
> 		of
> 
> 					multiple IE's (and I mean this from
a
> technological and financial
> 
> 		point
> 
> 			of
> 
> 					view).
> 
> 					regards
> 
> 					Roger #23543
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 					On 10.08.11 08:13, "Travis Niedens"
> <niedentj_at_hotmail.com> <mailto:niedentj_at_hotmail.com>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 						This initially asked about
the
> CCDE. I really have not seen any
> 
> 		good
> 
> 			help
> 
> 						for this other than "read
all 17
> Cisco books and memorize them".
> 
> 		Can
> 
> 						someone
> 						comment on how to actually
pass the
> CCDE? I passed the written
> 
> 		and want
> 
> 			to
> 
> 						take a shot at the lab the
next
> time it is available.
> 
> 						Travis
> 
> 
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