Changed positions? So he's facing left now? ;)
Scott Morris, CCIEx4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,
CCDE #2009::D, CCNP-Voice, JNCIE-SP #153, JNCIE-ER #102, CISSP, et al.
CCSI #21903, JNCI-SP, JNCI-ER
swm_at_emanon.com
Knowledge is power.
Power corrupts.
Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
On 8/25/11 10:29 AM, David Prall wrote:
Alvaro Retana and Khalid Raza both left earlier in the year.
John Cavanaugh had just changed positions, perhaps it wasn't the correct
decision.
Russ White is still at Cisco, was on a call with him a couple of days ago.
David
-- http://dcp.dcptech.com
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Abraham, Tharak
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Cc: Ronnie Angello; Scott Morris; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com Subject: Re: OT: CCDE - how to study and chances to pass it
Alvaro Retana, Khalid Raza, John Cavanaugh were all CCArs with Cisco.
First two are confirmed to be with HP ;)
Best Regards,
Tharak Abraham Luke
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 7:58 PM, Antonio Soares <amsoares_at_netcabo.pt> wrote:
I'm curious, who are those that left Cisco ?
Regards,
Antonio Soares, CCIE #18473 (R&S/SP) amsoares@netcabo.pt http://www.ccie18473.net
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Of
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Sent: quarta-feira, 10 de Agosto de 2011 13:49
To: Scott Morris
Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com Subject: Re: OT: CCDE - how to study and chances to pass it
Scott,
Is the October delivery of the exam going to be the revised version,
or can
you even share that info? The cl10 Techtorial hinted at some
changes, like
the reduction of the number of work models (scenarios) from 6 to 4,
among
other things. I also recall Russ mentioning that some technologies
(IS-IS,
IPv6?) were being removed as well... Since then I have heard
conflicting
information from the CCDE team, and it has been over a year, so I'm
not
sure
what to expect.
I would prefer to wait until the exam is updated to try again (4th
time
/sigh), so any insight would be much appreciated. Of course with
much of
the original team now having left Cisco, and little being known about
how
the cert will be made more valuable in the industry, it raises a lot
of
questions about the future of the CCDE. I'm kind of on the fence
about
continuing to pursue it at this point, but I do have hope now that
there is
a new team, fresh content, etc...
Thanks,
Ronnie
On Aug 10, 2011 8:23 AM, "Scott Morris" <swm_at_emanon.com> wrote:
I would not recommend reading 50 books. You'll be bored out of your
mind. Pick some. Probably doesn't matter which ones. But go through
them, particularly ones with case studies and read them for the
"why"
part about what was chosen.
It's ok to argue with the books (don't expect much response
though).
The idea is to question until you can come to an understanding
based
upon what criteria was laid out to you why they picked the path
they did.
That's the whole thing about the CCDE lab. In network design, there
are
many plausible answers. However, there are better answers based on
business criteria or financial/political ones. And that's what you
have
to sift through.
The hard part both for the exam and for recommending reading
anything is
that this is geared towards (and says on the description pages)
people
with 8-10 years experience. You really can't substitute experience.
You can get lucky sometimes, but statistically it's not easy to do
for
the whole exam.
But reading for the "why" rather than reading for learning a
technology
is something that takes more time and a bit of practice.
Is the CCIE SP a path for the CCDE? Not really, although it exposes
you
to more technologies that you can start thinking about in a design
environment. And once you know HOW they work, then it's part way to
figuring out WHY to use or not use a particular set.
We had some long debates about what topics to put in or keep in the
CCDE
when revising it. And there will still be a mix that touches
service
provider as well as enterprise and commercial/small business. So
know
the technologies (how) and concentrate your reading on the when to
use
them (why).
HTH,
*Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider)
#4713,
CCDE #2009::D, JNCIE-M #153, JNCIE-ER #102, CISSP, et al.
CCSI #21903, JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
swm_at_emanon.com
Knowledge is power.
Power corrupts.
Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
On 8/10/11 2:33 AM, Roger Pfdffli wrote:
Hi Travis (and all the rest),
I agree but all the information regarding the SPv3 has been very
very
helpful (and since I've also mentioned the SPv3 in my initial
post, I'm
happy about the replies).
Now we know officially that at least INE will "fully" support the
new
SPv3
including rack rentals, workbooks, classes covering also IOS-XR.
I'm
waiting since 1.5 year to hear such a thing and I've already lost
the
hope
that someone will ever support it, since (as mentioned earlier)
just a
few
weeks/months ago all vendors told that they will not support SPv3
at
all.
So cool, the game is open again :-)
But now, regarding the CCDE (which I've asked for), I do agree
with you.
The link from Brian pointing to the very helpful and interesting
Blog
from
Petr, including all the reading stuff, does not fully answer my
question.
I would also be very interested to hear from people who have
attended
(and
maybe also passed) the CCDE lab, how they have prepared. I think
(hope)
that there is more strategy than just reading 50 books and bring
lots of
experience. So please all CCDE's out there, let us know your
ideas!!
Personally I'm still not 100% sure which path to take, CCDE or
SPv3, and
which one is "better" for the future because I somewhat have to
agree
with
the things Narbik said. There is not a very high demand after SPv3
and
maybe it is more helpful to have "another" cert like CCDE instead
of
multiple IE's (and I mean this from a technological and financial
point
of
view).
regards
Roger #23543
On 10.08.11 08:13, "Travis Niedens" <niedentj_at_hotmail.com> wrote:
This initially asked about the CCDE. I really have not seen any
good
help
for this other than "read all 17 Cisco books and memorize them".
Can
someone
comment on how to actually pass the CCDE? I passed the written
and want
to
take a shot at the lab the next time it is available.
Travis
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