Re: OT: CCDE - how to study and chances to pass it

Good luck to everybody on their new tracks....one of these days I am going
to have to get back on the horse and go for my next one. I am interested in
ALL OF IT : ) Right now is not the right time for me to do it, but when
that time comes I'm going to go full steam ahead again. Love it!

On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 10:14 PM, Abraham, Tharak
<tharakabraham_at_gmail.com>wrote:

> Alvaro Retana, Khalid Raza, John Cavanaugh were all CCArs with Cisco.
> First two are confirmed to be with HP ;)
>
> Best Regards,
> Tharak Abraham Luke
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 7:58 PM, Antonio Soares <amsoares_at_netcabo.pt>
> wrote:
>
> > I'm curious, who are those that left Cisco ?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Antonio Soares, CCIE #18473 (R&S/SP)
> > amsoares_at_netcabo.pt
> > http://www.ccie18473.net
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Ronnie Angello
> > Sent: quarta-feira, 10 de Agosto de 2011 13:49
> > To: Scott Morris
> > Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: OT: CCDE - how to study and chances to pass it
> >
> > Scott,
> >
> > Is the October delivery of the exam going to be the revised version, or
> can
> > you even share that info? The cl10 Techtorial hinted at some changes,
> like
> > the reduction of the number of work models (scenarios) from 6 to 4, among
> > other things. I also recall Russ mentioning that some technologies
> (IS-IS,
> > IPv6?) were being removed as well... Since then I have heard conflicting
> > information from the CCDE team, and it has been over a year, so I'm not
> > sure
> > what to expect.
> >
> > I would prefer to wait until the exam is updated to try again (4th time
> > /sigh), so any insight would be much appreciated. Of course with much of
> > the original team now having left Cisco, and little being known about how
> > the cert will be made more valuable in the industry, it raises a lot of
> > questions about the future of the CCDE. I'm kind of on the fence about
> > continuing to pursue it at this point, but I do have hope now that there
> is
> > a new team, fresh content, etc...
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ronnie
> > On Aug 10, 2011 8:23 AM, "Scott Morris" <swm_at_emanon.com> wrote:
> > > I would not recommend reading 50 books. You'll be bored out of your
> > > mind. Pick some. Probably doesn't matter which ones. But go through
> > > them, particularly ones with case studies and read them for the "why"
> > > part about what was chosen.
> > >
> > > It's ok to argue with the books (don't expect much response though).
> > > The idea is to question until you can come to an understanding based
> > > upon what criteria was laid out to you why they picked the path they
> did.
> > >
> > > That's the whole thing about the CCDE lab. In network design, there are
> > > many plausible answers. However, there are better answers based on
> > > business criteria or financial/political ones. And that's what you have
> > > to sift through.
> > >
> > > The hard part both for the exam and for recommending reading anything
> is
> > > that this is geared towards (and says on the description pages) people
> > > with 8-10 years experience. You really can't substitute experience.
> > > You can get lucky sometimes, but statistically it's not easy to do for
> > > the whole exam.
> > >
> > > But reading for the "why" rather than reading for learning a technology
> > > is something that takes more time and a bit of practice.
> > >
> > > Is the CCIE SP a path for the CCDE? Not really, although it exposes you
> > > to more technologies that you can start thinking about in a design
> > > environment. And once you know HOW they work, then it's part way to
> > > figuring out WHY to use or not use a particular set.
> > >
> > > We had some long debates about what topics to put in or keep in the
> CCDE
> > > when revising it. And there will still be a mix that touches service
> > > provider as well as enterprise and commercial/small business. So know
> > > the technologies (how) and concentrate your reading on the when to use
> > > them (why).
> > >
> > > HTH,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider)
> #4713,
> > >
> > > CCDE #2009::D, JNCIE-M #153, JNCIE-ER #102, CISSP, et al.
> > >
> > > CCSI #21903, JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
> > >
> > > swm_at_emanon.com
> > >
> > >
> > > Knowledge is power.
> > >
> > > Power corrupts.
> > >
> > > Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
> > >
> > >
> > > On 8/10/11 2:33 AM, Roger Pfdffli wrote:
> > >> Hi Travis (and all the rest),
> > >>
> > >> I agree but all the information regarding the SPv3 has been very very
> > >> helpful (and since I've also mentioned the SPv3 in my initial post,
> I'm
> > >> happy about the replies).
> > >>
> > >> Now we know officially that at least INE will "fully" support the new
> > SPv3
> > >> including rack rentals, workbooks, classes covering also IOS-XR. I'm
> > >> waiting since 1.5 year to hear such a thing and I've already lost the
> > hope
> > >> that someone will ever support it, since (as mentioned earlier) just a
> > few
> > >> weeks/months ago all vendors told that they will not support SPv3 at
> > all.
> > >> So cool, the game is open again :-)
> > >>
> > >> But now, regarding the CCDE (which I've asked for), I do agree with
> you.
> > >> The link from Brian pointing to the very helpful and interesting Blog
> > from
> > >> Petr, including all the reading stuff, does not fully answer my
> > question.
> > >> I would also be very interested to hear from people who have attended
> > (and
> > >> maybe also passed) the CCDE lab, how they have prepared. I think
> (hope)
> > >> that there is more strategy than just reading 50 books and bring lots
> of
> > >> experience. So please all CCDE's out there, let us know your ideas!!
> > >>
> > >> Personally I'm still not 100% sure which path to take, CCDE or SPv3,
> and
> > >> which one is "better" for the future because I somewhat have to agree
> > with
> > >> the things Narbik said. There is not a very high demand after SPv3 and
> > >> maybe it is more helpful to have "another" cert like CCDE instead of
> > >> multiple IE's (and I mean this from a technological and financial
> point
> > of
> > >> view).
> > >>
> > >> regards
> > >>
> > >> Roger #23543
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 10.08.11 08:13, "Travis Niedens" <niedentj_at_hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> This initially asked about the CCDE. I really have not seen any good
> > help
> > >>> for this other than "read all 17 Cisco books and memorize them". Can
> > >>> someone
> > >>> comment on how to actually pass the CCDE? I passed the written and
> want
> > to
> > >>> take a shot at the lab the next time it is available.
> > >>>
> > >>> Travis
> > >>>
> > >>>
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