Re: OT: CCDE - how to study and chances to pass it

Alvaro Retana, Khalid Raza, John Cavanaugh were all CCArs with Cisco.
First two are confirmed to be with HP ;)

Best Regards,
Tharak Abraham Luke

On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 7:58 PM, Antonio Soares <amsoares_at_netcabo.pt> wrote:

> I'm curious, who are those that left Cisco ?
>
> Regards,
>
> Antonio Soares, CCIE #18473 (R&S/SP)
> amsoares_at_netcabo.pt
> http://www.ccie18473.net
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Ronnie Angello
> Sent: quarta-feira, 10 de Agosto de 2011 13:49
> To: Scott Morris
> Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: OT: CCDE - how to study and chances to pass it
>
> Scott,
>
> Is the October delivery of the exam going to be the revised version, or can
> you even share that info? The cl10 Techtorial hinted at some changes, like
> the reduction of the number of work models (scenarios) from 6 to 4, among
> other things. I also recall Russ mentioning that some technologies (IS-IS,
> IPv6?) were being removed as well... Since then I have heard conflicting
> information from the CCDE team, and it has been over a year, so I'm not
> sure
> what to expect.
>
> I would prefer to wait until the exam is updated to try again (4th time
> /sigh), so any insight would be much appreciated. Of course with much of
> the original team now having left Cisco, and little being known about how
> the cert will be made more valuable in the industry, it raises a lot of
> questions about the future of the CCDE. I'm kind of on the fence about
> continuing to pursue it at this point, but I do have hope now that there is
> a new team, fresh content, etc...
>
> Thanks,
> Ronnie
> On Aug 10, 2011 8:23 AM, "Scott Morris" <swm_at_emanon.com> wrote:
> > I would not recommend reading 50 books. You'll be bored out of your
> > mind. Pick some. Probably doesn't matter which ones. But go through
> > them, particularly ones with case studies and read them for the "why"
> > part about what was chosen.
> >
> > It's ok to argue with the books (don't expect much response though).
> > The idea is to question until you can come to an understanding based
> > upon what criteria was laid out to you why they picked the path they did.
> >
> > That's the whole thing about the CCDE lab. In network design, there are
> > many plausible answers. However, there are better answers based on
> > business criteria or financial/political ones. And that's what you have
> > to sift through.
> >
> > The hard part both for the exam and for recommending reading anything is
> > that this is geared towards (and says on the description pages) people
> > with 8-10 years experience. You really can't substitute experience.
> > You can get lucky sometimes, but statistically it's not easy to do for
> > the whole exam.
> >
> > But reading for the "why" rather than reading for learning a technology
> > is something that takes more time and a bit of practice.
> >
> > Is the CCIE SP a path for the CCDE? Not really, although it exposes you
> > to more technologies that you can start thinking about in a design
> > environment. And once you know HOW they work, then it's part way to
> > figuring out WHY to use or not use a particular set.
> >
> > We had some long debates about what topics to put in or keep in the CCDE
> > when revising it. And there will still be a mix that touches service
> > provider as well as enterprise and commercial/small business. So know
> > the technologies (how) and concentrate your reading on the when to use
> > them (why).
> >
> > HTH,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,
> >
> > CCDE #2009::D, JNCIE-M #153, JNCIE-ER #102, CISSP, et al.
> >
> > CCSI #21903, JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
> >
> > swm_at_emanon.com
> >
> >
> > Knowledge is power.
> >
> > Power corrupts.
> >
> > Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
> >
> >
> > On 8/10/11 2:33 AM, Roger Pfdffli wrote:
> >> Hi Travis (and all the rest),
> >>
> >> I agree but all the information regarding the SPv3 has been very very
> >> helpful (and since I've also mentioned the SPv3 in my initial post, I'm
> >> happy about the replies).
> >>
> >> Now we know officially that at least INE will "fully" support the new
> SPv3
> >> including rack rentals, workbooks, classes covering also IOS-XR. I'm
> >> waiting since 1.5 year to hear such a thing and I've already lost the
> hope
> >> that someone will ever support it, since (as mentioned earlier) just a
> few
> >> weeks/months ago all vendors told that they will not support SPv3 at
> all.
> >> So cool, the game is open again :-)
> >>
> >> But now, regarding the CCDE (which I've asked for), I do agree with you.
> >> The link from Brian pointing to the very helpful and interesting Blog
> from
> >> Petr, including all the reading stuff, does not fully answer my
> question.
> >> I would also be very interested to hear from people who have attended
> (and
> >> maybe also passed) the CCDE lab, how they have prepared. I think (hope)
> >> that there is more strategy than just reading 50 books and bring lots of
> >> experience. So please all CCDE's out there, let us know your ideas!!
> >>
> >> Personally I'm still not 100% sure which path to take, CCDE or SPv3, and
> >> which one is "better" for the future because I somewhat have to agree
> with
> >> the things Narbik said. There is not a very high demand after SPv3 and
> >> maybe it is more helpful to have "another" cert like CCDE instead of
> >> multiple IE's (and I mean this from a technological and financial point
> of
> >> view).
> >>
> >> regards
> >>
> >> Roger #23543
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 10.08.11 08:13, "Travis Niedens" <niedentj_at_hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> This initially asked about the CCDE. I really have not seen any good
> help
> >>> for this other than "read all 17 Cisco books and memorize them". Can
> >>> someone
> >>> comment on how to actually pass the CCDE? I passed the written and want
> to
> >>> take a shot at the lab the next time it is available.
> >>>
> >>> Travis
> >>>
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