Re: OT: CCDE - how to study and chances to pass it

Hi,

that really doesn4t sounds good.

@ Marko: Are you gonna do the Architect ?

regards,

robert

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marko Milivojevic" <markom_at_ipexpert.com>
To: "Antonio Soares" <amsoares_at_netcabo.pt>
Cc: "Ronnie Angello" <ronnie.angello_at_gmail.com>; "Scott Morris"
<swm_at_emanon.com>; <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 6:04 PM
Subject: Re: OT: CCDE - how to study and chances to pass it

> Almost every CCAr. The latest one to leave was Russ White.
>
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> On Aug 10, 2011, at 7:28, "Antonio Soares" <amsoares_at_netcabo.pt> wrote:
>
>> I'm curious, who are those that left Cisco ?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Antonio Soares, CCIE #18473 (R&S/SP)
>> amsoares_at_netcabo.pt
>> http://www.ccie18473.net
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> Ronnie Angello
>> Sent: quarta-feira, 10 de Agosto de 2011 13:49
>> To: Scott Morris
>> Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>> Subject: Re: OT: CCDE - how to study and chances to pass it
>>
>> Scott,
>>
>> Is the October delivery of the exam going to be the revised version, or
>> can
>> you even share that info? The cl10 Techtorial hinted at some changes,
>> like
>> the reduction of the number of work models (scenarios) from 6 to 4, among
>> other things. I also recall Russ mentioning that some technologies
>> (IS-IS,
>> IPv6?) were being removed as well... Since then I have heard conflicting
>> information from the CCDE team, and it has been over a year, so I'm not
>> sure
>> what to expect.
>>
>> I would prefer to wait until the exam is updated to try again (4th time
>> /sigh), so any insight would be much appreciated. Of course with much of
>> the original team now having left Cisco, and little being known about how
>> the cert will be made more valuable in the industry, it raises a lot of
>> questions about the future of the CCDE. I'm kind of on the fence about
>> continuing to pursue it at this point, but I do have hope now that there
>> is
>> a new team, fresh content, etc...
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Ronnie
>> On Aug 10, 2011 8:23 AM, "Scott Morris" <swm_at_emanon.com> wrote:
>>> I would not recommend reading 50 books. You'll be bored out of your
>>> mind. Pick some. Probably doesn't matter which ones. But go through
>>> them, particularly ones with case studies and read them for the "why"
>>> part about what was chosen.
>>>
>>> It's ok to argue with the books (don't expect much response though).
>>> The idea is to question until you can come to an understanding based
>>> upon what criteria was laid out to you why they picked the path they
>>> did.
>>>
>>> That's the whole thing about the CCDE lab. In network design, there are
>>> many plausible answers. However, there are better answers based on
>>> business criteria or financial/political ones. And that's what you have
>>> to sift through.
>>>
>>> The hard part both for the exam and for recommending reading anything is
>>> that this is geared towards (and says on the description pages) people
>>> with 8-10 years experience. You really can't substitute experience.
>>> You can get lucky sometimes, but statistically it's not easy to do for
>>> the whole exam.
>>>
>>> But reading for the "why" rather than reading for learning a technology
>>> is something that takes more time and a bit of practice.
>>>
>>> Is the CCIE SP a path for the CCDE? Not really, although it exposes you
>>> to more technologies that you can start thinking about in a design
>>> environment. And once you know HOW they work, then it's part way to
>>> figuring out WHY to use or not use a particular set.
>>>
>>> We had some long debates about what topics to put in or keep in the CCDE
>>> when revising it. And there will still be a mix that touches service
>>> provider as well as enterprise and commercial/small business. So know
>>> the technologies (how) and concentrate your reading on the when to use
>>> them (why).
>>>
>>> HTH,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,
>>>
>>> CCDE #2009::D, JNCIE-M #153, JNCIE-ER #102, CISSP, et al.
>>>
>>> CCSI #21903, JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
>>>
>>> swm_at_emanon.com
>>>
>>>
>>> Knowledge is power.
>>>
>>> Power corrupts.
>>>
>>> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/10/11 2:33 AM, Roger Pfdffli wrote:
>>>> Hi Travis (and all the rest),
>>>>
>>>> I agree but all the information regarding the SPv3 has been very very
>>>> helpful (and since I've also mentioned the SPv3 in my initial post, I'm
>>>> happy about the replies).
>>>>
>>>> Now we know officially that at least INE will "fully" support the new
>> SPv3
>>>> including rack rentals, workbooks, classes covering also IOS-XR. I'm
>>>> waiting since 1.5 year to hear such a thing and I've already lost the
>> hope
>>>> that someone will ever support it, since (as mentioned earlier) just a
>> few
>>>> weeks/months ago all vendors told that they will not support SPv3 at
>>>> all.
>>>> So cool, the game is open again :-)
>>>>
>>>> But now, regarding the CCDE (which I've asked for), I do agree with
>>>> you.
>>>> The link from Brian pointing to the very helpful and interesting Blog
>> from
>>>> Petr, including all the reading stuff, does not fully answer my
>>>> question.
>>>> I would also be very interested to hear from people who have attended
>> (and
>>>> maybe also passed) the CCDE lab, how they have prepared. I think (hope)
>>>> that there is more strategy than just reading 50 books and bring lots
>>>> of
>>>> experience. So please all CCDE's out there, let us know your ideas!!
>>>>
>>>> Personally I'm still not 100% sure which path to take, CCDE or SPv3,
>>>> and
>>>> which one is "better" for the future because I somewhat have to agree
>> with
>>>> the things Narbik said. There is not a very high demand after SPv3 and
>>>> maybe it is more helpful to have "another" cert like CCDE instead of
>>>> multiple IE's (and I mean this from a technological and financial point
>> of
>>>> view).
>>>>
>>>> regards
>>>>
>>>> Roger #23543
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 10.08.11 08:13, "Travis Niedens" <niedentj_at_hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This initially asked about the CCDE. I really have not seen any good
>> help
>>>>> for this other than "read all 17 Cisco books and memorize them". Can
>>>>> someone
>>>>> comment on how to actually pass the CCDE? I passed the written and
>>>>> want
>> to
>>>>> take a shot at the lab the next time it is available.
>>>>>
>>>>> Travis
>>>>>
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