Re: OT: CCDE - how to study and chances to pass it

Almost every CCAr. The latest one to leave was Russ White.

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On Aug 10, 2011, at 7:28, "Antonio Soares" <amsoares_at_netcabo.pt> wrote:
> I'm curious, who are those that left Cisco ?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Antonio Soares, CCIE #18473 (R&S/SP)
> amsoares_at_netcabo.pt
> http://www.ccie18473.net
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Ronnie Angello
> Sent: quarta-feira, 10 de Agosto de 2011 13:49
> To: Scott Morris
> Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: OT: CCDE - how to study and chances to pass it
> 
> Scott,
> 
> Is the October delivery of the exam going to be the revised version, or can
> you even share that info?  The cl10 Techtorial hinted at some changes, like
> the reduction of the number of work models (scenarios) from 6 to 4, among
> other things.  I also recall Russ mentioning that some technologies (IS-IS,
> IPv6?) were being removed as well...  Since then I have heard conflicting
> information from the CCDE team, and it has been over a year, so I'm not sure
> what to expect.
> 
> I would prefer to wait until the exam is updated to try again (4th time
> /sigh), so any insight would be much appreciated.  Of course with much of
> the original team now having left Cisco, and little being known about how
> the cert will be made more valuable in the industry, it raises a lot of
> questions about the future of the CCDE.  I'm kind of on the fence about
> continuing to pursue it at this point, but I do have hope now that there is
> a new team, fresh content, etc...
> 
> Thanks,
> Ronnie
> On Aug 10, 2011 8:23 AM, "Scott Morris" <swm_at_emanon.com> wrote:
>> I would not recommend reading 50 books. You'll be bored out of your
>> mind. Pick some. Probably doesn't matter which ones. But go through
>> them, particularly ones with case studies and read them for the "why"
>> part about what was chosen.
>> 
>> It's ok to argue with the books (don't expect much response though).
>> The idea is to question until you can come to an understanding based
>> upon what criteria was laid out to you why they picked the path they did.
>> 
>> That's the whole thing about the CCDE lab. In network design, there are
>> many plausible answers. However, there are better answers based on
>> business criteria or financial/political ones. And that's what you have
>> to sift through.
>> 
>> The hard part both for the exam and for recommending reading anything is
>> that this is geared towards (and says on the description pages) people
>> with 8-10 years experience. You really can't substitute experience.
>> You can get lucky sometimes, but statistically it's not easy to do for
>> the whole exam.
>> 
>> But reading for the "why" rather than reading for learning a technology
>> is something that takes more time and a bit of practice.
>> 
>> Is the CCIE SP a path for the CCDE? Not really, although it exposes you
>> to more technologies that you can start thinking about in a design
>> environment. And once you know HOW they work, then it's part way to
>> figuring out WHY to use or not use a particular set.
>> 
>> We had some long debates about what topics to put in or keep in the CCDE
>> when revising it. And there will still be a mix that touches service
>> provider as well as enterprise and commercial/small business. So know
>> the technologies (how) and concentrate your reading on the when to use
>> them (why).
>> 
>> HTH,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,
>> 
>> CCDE #2009::D, JNCIE-M #153, JNCIE-ER #102, CISSP, et al.
>> 
>> CCSI #21903, JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
>> 
>> swm_at_emanon.com
>> 
>> 
>> Knowledge is power.
>> 
>> Power corrupts.
>> 
>> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
>> 
>> 
>> On 8/10/11 2:33 AM, Roger Pfdffli wrote:
>>> Hi Travis (and all the rest),
>>> 
>>> I agree but all the information regarding the SPv3 has been very very
>>> helpful (and since I've also mentioned the SPv3 in my initial post, I'm
>>> happy about the replies).
>>> 
>>> Now we know officially that at least INE will "fully" support the new
> SPv3
>>> including rack rentals, workbooks, classes covering also IOS-XR. I'm
>>> waiting since 1.5 year to hear such a thing and I've already lost the
> hope
>>> that someone will ever support it, since (as mentioned earlier) just a
> few
>>> weeks/months ago all vendors told that they will not support SPv3 at all.
>>> So cool, the game is open again :-)
>>> 
>>> But now, regarding the CCDE (which I've asked for), I do agree with you.
>>> The link from Brian pointing to the very helpful and interesting Blog
> from
>>> Petr, including all the reading stuff, does not fully answer my question.
>>> I would also be very interested to hear from people who have attended
> (and
>>> maybe also passed) the CCDE lab, how they have prepared. I think (hope)
>>> that there is more strategy than just reading 50 books and bring lots of
>>> experience. So please all CCDE's out there, let us know your ideas!!
>>> 
>>> Personally I'm still not 100% sure which path to take, CCDE or SPv3, and
>>> which one is "better" for the future because I somewhat have to agree
> with
>>> the things Narbik said. There is not a very high demand after SPv3 and
>>> maybe it is more helpful to have "another" cert like CCDE instead of
>>> multiple IE's (and I mean this from a technological and financial point
> of
>>> view).
>>> 
>>> regards
>>> 
>>> Roger #23543
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 10.08.11 08:13, "Travis Niedens" <niedentj_at_hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> This initially asked about the CCDE. I really have not seen any good
> help
>>>> for this other than "read all 17 Cisco books and memorize them". Can
>>>> someone
>>>> comment on how to actually pass the CCDE? I passed the written and want
> to
>>>> take a shot at the lab the next time it is available.
>>>> 
>>>> Travis
>>>> 
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