Re: OT: CCDE - how to study and chances to pass it

 The October delivery will not have major revisions. Too early....

Work models will be collapsed. Not that you won't have to think along
the same lines, but it will change in method of presentation.

Technologies are shifting a bit, but I wouldn't expect them to be
removed. Particularly IPv6.

There are some people who have left, but at the same time there's a good
group of "new" people chipping in and working on things. Makes for some
entertaining arguments....errrr.... discussions. ;)

I agree with you about Cisco needing to make the cert known and valuable
in the industry, and there are some of us working on that. Keep pushing
and pushing and pushing. :) It'll get there.

Good luck to ya!

Scott Morris, CCIEx4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,

CCDE #2009::D, JNCIE-M #153, JNCIE-ER #102, CISSP, et al.

CCSI #21903, JNCI-M, JNCI-ER

swm_at_emanon.com

Knowledge is power.

Power corrupts.

Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......

On 8/10/11 8:48 AM, Ronnie Angello wrote:

  Scott,

  Is the October delivery of the exam going to be the revised version,
  or can you even share that info? The cl10 Techtorial hinted at some
  changes, like the reduction of the number of work models (scenarios)
  from 6 to 4, among other things. I also recall Russ mentioning that
  some technologies (IS-IS, IPv6?) were being removed as well... Since
  then I have heard conflicting information from the CCDE team, and it
  has been over a year, so I'm not sure what to expect.

  I would prefer to wait until the exam is updated to try again (4th
  time /sigh), so any insight would be much appreciated. Of course
  with much of the original team now having left Cisco, and little
  being known about how the cert will be made more valuable in the
  industry, it raises a lot of questions about the future of the CCDE.
  I'm kind of on the fence about continuing to pursue it at this point,
  but I do have hope now that there is a new team, fresh content,
  etc...

  Thanks,
  Ronnie

  On Aug 10, 2011 8:23 AM, "Scott Morris" <swm_at_emanon.com> wrote:
> I would not recommend reading 50 books. You'll be bored out of your
> mind. Pick some. Probably doesn't matter which ones. But go through
> them, particularly ones with case studies and read them for the
  "why"
> part about what was chosen.
>
> It's ok to argue with the books (don't expect much response
  though).
> The idea is to question until you can come to an understanding
  based
> upon what criteria was laid out to you why they picked the path
  they did.
>
> That's the whole thing about the CCDE lab. In network design, there
  are
> many plausible answers. However, there are better answers based on
> business criteria or financial/political ones. And that's what you
  have
> to sift through.
>
> The hard part both for the exam and for recommending reading
  anything is
> that this is geared towards (and says on the description pages)
  people
> with 8-10 years experience. You really can't substitute experience.
> You can get lucky sometimes, but statistically it's not easy to do
  for
> the whole exam.
>
> But reading for the "why" rather than reading for learning a
  technology
> is something that takes more time and a bit of practice.
>
> Is the CCIE SP a path for the CCDE? Not really, although it exposes
  you
> to more technologies that you can start thinking about in a design
> environment. And once you know HOW they work, then it's part way to
> figuring out WHY to use or not use a particular set.
>
> We had some long debates about what topics to put in or keep in the
  CCDE
> when revising it. And there will still be a mix that touches
  service
> provider as well as enterprise and commercial/small business. So
  know
> the technologies (how) and concentrate your reading on the when to
  use
> them (why).
>
> HTH,
>
>
>
>
> *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider)
  #4713,
>
> CCDE #2009::D, JNCIE-M #153, JNCIE-ER #102, CISSP, et al.
>
> CCSI #21903, JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
>
> swm_at_emanon.com
>
>
> Knowledge is power.
>
> Power corrupts.
>
> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
>
>
> On 8/10/11 2:33 AM, Roger Pfdffli wrote:
>> Hi Travis (and all the rest),
>>
>> I agree but all the information regarding the SPv3 has been very
  very
>> helpful (and since I've also mentioned the SPv3 in my initial
  post, I'm
>> happy about the replies).
>>
>> Now we know officially that at least INE will "fully" support the
  new SPv3
>> including rack rentals, workbooks, classes covering also IOS-XR.
  I'm
>> waiting since 1.5 year to hear such a thing and I've already lost
  the hope
>> that someone will ever support it, since (as mentioned earlier)
  just a few
>> weeks/months ago all vendors told that they will not support SPv3
  at all.
>> So cool, the game is open again :-)
>>
>> But now, regarding the CCDE (which I've asked for), I do agree
  with you.
>> The link from Brian pointing to the very helpful and interesting
  Blog from
>> Petr, including all the reading stuff, does not fully answer my
  question.
>> I would also be very interested to hear from people who have
  attended (and
>> maybe also passed) the CCDE lab, how they have prepared. I think
  (hope)
>> that there is more strategy than just reading 50 books and bring
  lots of
>> experience. So please all CCDE's out there, let us know your
  ideas!!
>>
>> Personally I'm still not 100% sure which path to take, CCDE or
  SPv3, and
>> which one is "better" for the future because I somewhat have to
  agree with
>> the things Narbik said. There is not a very high demand after SPv3
  and
>> maybe it is more helpful to have "another" cert like CCDE instead
  of
>> multiple IE's (and I mean this from a technological and financial
  point of
>> view).
>>
>> regards
>>
>> Roger #23543
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10.08.11 08:13, "Travis Niedens" <niedentj_at_hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> This initially asked about the CCDE. I really have not seen any
  good help
>>> for this other than "read all 17 Cisco books and memorize them".
  Can
>>> someone
>>> comment on how to actually pass the CCDE? I passed the written
  and want to
>>> take a shot at the lab the next time it is available.
>>>
>>> Travis
>>>
>>>
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