Re: OT: CCDE - how to study and chances to pass it

Ronnie,

Interesting infos! Why would they remove IPv6 from the CCDE? I mean,
nowadays this is a major topic in network design and in all the other
Certs it gets added.

I'm somehow at the same point like you (even though I have not attended
the CCDE exam). I'm not sure if it is worth to start for the CCDE because
up to now, I don't see a high demand for it and somehow I do also not feel
that Cisco is pushing the exam and want to see more CCDE's (the same
applies for the CCIE SPv3 and the Architect).
I don't know why Cisco brought so many Cert changes but after that, does
not really show interest in people getting them (at least I don't feel it).
Even though studying for a Cert is very cool, interesting, fun, exciting,
frustrating
.at the end it has to pay off and this not only in terms of
knowledge :-)

regards

Roger #23543

On 10.08.11 14:48, "Ronnie Angello" <ronnie.angello_at_gmail.com> wrote:

>Scott,
>
>Is the October delivery of the exam going to be the revised version, or
>can
>you even share that info? The cl10 Techtorial hinted at some changes,
>like
>the reduction of the number of work models (scenarios) from 6 to 4, among
>other things. I also recall Russ mentioning that some technologies
>(IS-IS,
>IPv6?) were being removed as well... Since then I have heard conflicting
>information from the CCDE team, and it has been over a year, so I'm not
>sure
>what to expect.
>
>I would prefer to wait until the exam is updated to try again (4th time
>/sigh), so any insight would be much appreciated. Of course with much of
>the original team now having left Cisco, and little being known about how
>the cert will be made more valuable in the industry, it raises a lot of
>questions about the future of the CCDE. I'm kind of on the fence about
>continuing to pursue it at this point, but I do have hope now that there
>is
>a new team, fresh content, etc...
>
>Thanks,
>Ronnie
>On Aug 10, 2011 8:23 AM, "Scott Morris" <swm_at_emanon.com> wrote:
>> I would not recommend reading 50 books. You'll be bored out of your
>> mind. Pick some. Probably doesn't matter which ones. But go through
>> them, particularly ones with case studies and read them for the "why"
>> part about what was chosen.
>>
>> It's ok to argue with the books (don't expect much response though).
>> The idea is to question until you can come to an understanding based
>> upon what criteria was laid out to you why they picked the path they
>>did.
>>
>> That's the whole thing about the CCDE lab. In network design, there are
>> many plausible answers. However, there are better answers based on
>> business criteria or financial/political ones. And that's what you have
>> to sift through.
>>
>> The hard part both for the exam and for recommending reading anything is
>> that this is geared towards (and says on the description pages) people
>> with 8-10 years experience. You really can't substitute experience.
>> You can get lucky sometimes, but statistically it's not easy to do for
>> the whole exam.
>>
>> But reading for the "why" rather than reading for learning a technology
>> is something that takes more time and a bit of practice.
>>
>> Is the CCIE SP a path for the CCDE? Not really, although it exposes you
>> to more technologies that you can start thinking about in a design
>> environment. And once you know HOW they work, then it's part way to
>> figuring out WHY to use or not use a particular set.
>>
>> We had some long debates about what topics to put in or keep in the CCDE
>> when revising it. And there will still be a mix that touches service
>> provider as well as enterprise and commercial/small business. So know
>> the technologies (how) and concentrate your reading on the when to use
>> them (why).
>>
>> HTH,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,
>>
>> CCDE #2009::D, JNCIE-M #153, JNCIE-ER #102, CISSP, et al.
>>
>> CCSI #21903, JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
>>
>> swm_at_emanon.com
>>
>>
>> Knowledge is power.
>>
>> Power corrupts.
>>
>> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
>>
>>
>> On 8/10/11 2:33 AM, Roger Pfdffli wrote:
>>> Hi Travis (and all the rest),
>>>
>>> I agree but all the information regarding the SPv3 has been very very
>>> helpful (and since I've also mentioned the SPv3 in my initial post, I'm
>>> happy about the replies).
>>>
>>> Now we know officially that at least INE will "fully" support the new
>SPv3
>>> including rack rentals, workbooks, classes covering also IOS-XR. I'm
>>> waiting since 1.5 year to hear such a thing and I've already lost the
>hope
>>> that someone will ever support it, since (as mentioned earlier) just a
>few
>>> weeks/months ago all vendors told that they will not support SPv3 at
>>>all.
>>> So cool, the game is open again :-)
>>>
>>> But now, regarding the CCDE (which I've asked for), I do agree with
>>>you.
>>> The link from Brian pointing to the very helpful and interesting Blog
>from
>>> Petr, including all the reading stuff, does not fully answer my
>>>question.
>>> I would also be very interested to hear from people who have attended
>(and
>>> maybe also passed) the CCDE lab, how they have prepared. I think (hope)
>>> that there is more strategy than just reading 50 books and bring lots
>>>of
>>> experience. So please all CCDE's out there, let us know your ideas!!
>>>
>>> Personally I'm still not 100% sure which path to take, CCDE or SPv3,
>>>and
>>> which one is "better" for the future because I somewhat have to agree
>with
>>> the things Narbik said. There is not a very high demand after SPv3 and
>>> maybe it is more helpful to have "another" cert like CCDE instead of
>>> multiple IE's (and I mean this from a technological and financial point
>of
>>> view).
>>>
>>> regards
>>>
>>> Roger #23543
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10.08.11 08:13, "Travis Niedens" <niedentj_at_hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> This initially asked about the CCDE. I really have not seen any good
>help
>>>> for this other than "read all 17 Cisco books and memorize them". Can
>>>> someone
>>>> comment on how to actually pass the CCDE? I passed the written and
>>>>want
>to
>>>> take a shot at the lab the next time it is available.
>>>>
>>>> Travis
>>>>
>>>>
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