Re: OT (Hint: maybe on-topic if you need to need help)

renorider... interesting name

I type pretty quickly most of the time and actually waste suprisingly little
time in the scheme of things conveying my thoughts.

This post was flagged as off-topic and done so for a reason.

Lots of people filter OT topics - not a bad idea if you think about it.

Darby

http://www.darbyslogs.blogspot.com

On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 6:42 PM, marc edwards <renorider_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> Maybe if you spent more time on topic and using this post for its
> designated purpose you would have your ccie #. Certainly brag about all the
> classes you attend. Put you money where your mouth is and stop wasting all
> our time
>
> Marc
>
> On May 1, 2011 3:23 PM, "Darby Weaver" <darby.weaver_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > And to think - I thought I was a rather quiet low-key guy most of the
> time
> > who spends the better part of my day working and I daresay the better
> part
> > of my life doing the same...
> >
> > :)
> >
> > The only thing worse than crediting a guy like Narbik for a class which I
> > worked from 9am till 3am every day except Thursday - Thursday I did not
> go
> > to sleep till Friday until about 3pm actually - the only thing worse
> would
> > be giving old H.U. credit for ability yo stir brain cells.
> >
> > When is the last time any of you cared for a class given by an instructor
> > who could motivate you to stay awake and interested all week long given
> this
> > kind of deeply intensive material?
> >
> > Which class? Which instructor? When?
> >
> > Hmmm?
> >
> >
> > Who?
> >
> > Which one? Put the tail on the donkey and let's give these guys some
> > credit too.
> >
> >
> >
> > This is even with being given two very interestingly tough exams of the
> NMC
> > CheckIT / Cisco 360 Graded Labs... all in the same week (technically 3
> since
> > the Troubleshooting exam was in there).
> >
> > Which instructors stayed with the class some 12-15+ hours per day - every
> > day?
> >
> > Now while most of the class only got the 12-15 hour dog and pony show - I
> > started out with Narbik Sunday for some ~6 or so hours till 3am and it
> never
> > stopped - every night, one after the other.
> >
> > People need to know what to expect when we are investing time, money, and
> > opportunity to go a training class like this.
> >
> > While some of you have been on this list for years and years - others are
> > just getting started...
> >
> > If I told people I did INE's Workbook and the 2007/2008 edition of
> Narbik's
> > workbook side by side with the DOC CD at my finger tips - then they'd
> know
> > that the two cover the material nearly identically - sans the labout with
> > the DOC CD's format.
> >
> > Ok - So now a student can choose to buy one or the other but never EVER
> > needs both.
> >
> > Now if I tell you that the latest version of Narbik's workbooks and
> Bootcamp
> > version has more filtering tricks and a lot more explanation... then the
> > clear choice is going to be these new workbooks.
> >
> > Ooopss!!! Someone now needs to make a choice for one volume versus the
> > other.
> >
> > Now if/when I see Narbik's TS versus INE's TS, there is another choice to
> be
> > made.
> >
> > Same for the 360 Workbook versus the INE Workbook Vol II/III - If the
> Cisco
> > 360 has 35 labs full labs or lab plus troubleshooting and the INE has 20
> +
> > 10 (core labs) then a prospective buyer can make a choice.
> >
> > Now for Video - INE has much more sheer content. No doubt.
> >
> > However, if material is clear and succinct in the workbooks - anyone's -
> > um... why buy 2 or more vendors? Extra expense.
> >
> > Each vendor has out-done themselves year after year - my compliments. No
> > doubt.
> >
> > Now this game is in the last inning and we all need to know that we can
> > pretty much invest in a single vendor and be done with it.
> >
> > Umm... kinda funny how a lot of CCIE's are chiming in on the topic
> versus
> > candidates....
> >
> > Hint: Groupstudy is for those who need to earn the CCIE, give the new
> guys
> > and us old CCIE candidates some room to breath.
> >
> > I keep wondering if there is some super-mystery that keeps CCIE's hanging
> on
> > forever to re-learn frame relay or maybe spanning-tree or something.
> :)_._
> >
> > When I get a moment - I'll cover this topic in the CCIE Flyer maybe...
> some
> > people cover the blueprint and some go beyond.
> >
> >
> > Darby
> >
> > http://www.darbyslogs.blogspot.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Travis Niedens <niedentj_at_hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > It's probably some psychological issue dealing with a need for
> attention;
> > > its a vicious cycle that we have endured for years and Paul refuses to
> break
> > > it.
> > >
> > > > CC: sdibias_at_gmail.com; darby.weaver_at_gmail.com;
> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> > > > From: maniac.smg_at_gmail.com
> > >
> > > > Subject: Re: OT (Hint: maybe on-topic if you need to need help)
> > > 1-800-GET-NARBIK
> > > > Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 21:32:55 +0200
> > > > To: sameoj_at_gmail.com
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Was just about to say. Why does this happen everytime Darby makes a
> > > > reappearance ?
> > > >
> > > > CCIE # 23962 (SP)
> > > >
> > > > Sent from my iPhone 4
> > > >
> > > > On 30 Apr 2011, at 8:23 PM, oluwaseyi ojo <sameoj_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Darby and his controversial character,welcome back!!!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > On 4/30/11, Steve Di Bias <sdibias_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >> Darby I wasn't agreeing with you, I was agreeing with Ernest. I'm
> sure
> > > > >> you're a good guy however bashing vendors in a public forum is
> just
> > > plain
> > > > >> wrong. I myself am a customer of one of the "expert" vendors and
> the
> > > > >> materials, as well as the support that I get are second to none.
> > > Marko,
> > > > >> Scott, Narbik, Tyson and all the others are all excellent
> instructors,
> > > and
> > > > >> we should be grateful they exist, all of them have helped me
> > > tremondously
> > > > in
> > > > >> my CCIE preperation, as well as my career. However that being said
> I'm
> > > > going
> > > > >> back to my studies and disengaging from this worthless thread.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Cheers!
> > > > >> On Apr 30, 2011 6:30 AM, "Darby Weaver" <darby.weaver_at_gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >>> I totally agree with you guys - those materials that are half
> baked
> > > or
> > > > >> NEVER
> > > > >>> materialize are also uncalled for...
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Who remembers buying audio from from one company that was never
> > > > >> finished...
> > > > >>> even after it was discontinued...
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Who remembers buying video from the came company for labs...
> > > apparently
> > > > >> not
> > > > >>> profitable enough for continuation and so it too was abandoned...
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> But wait!!! Only later the same sets of videos re-appear as a
> "NEW"
> > > > >>> product... that can be purchased yet again!
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> That's uncalled for...
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Dude!
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Some of these companies that do this kind of stuff really are
> > > uncalled
> > > > for
> > > > >>> and if everyone who gets shucked and jived speaks up about it....
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> A lot less of us would ever be calling them again.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> But, hey.. that's uncalled for.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> None of them would ever call for any of the "stuff" they say or
> do to
> > > be
> > > > >>> known publicly... that would be uncalled for.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Anyone else need to more about what and why this kind of stuff is
> > > > uncalled
> > > > >>> for?
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Look back in the day... we took the *Expert companies at their
> word
> > > since
> > > > >>> after all they had "expert" in the work and started with "I" so
> I'm
> > > sure
> > > > >> in
> > > > >>> the back of all of our naive minds... we were collectively
> > > thinking... if
> > > > >>> "I" learn from these "experts" then one day "I" would be an
> "expert"
> > > > >> too...
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Follow the Master
> > > > >>> Walk Beside the Master
> > > > >>> Be the Master
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> The problem was and still is that some of these guys... not all
> of
> > > > them...
> > > > >>> may have never actually worked on a production network at all or
> > > never
> > > > >> were
> > > > >>> "the guy" in the first place and so not all of their well
> intentioned
> > > > labs
> > > > >>> are wholely baked or worse... like that one guy who keeps trying
> to
> > > > >>> undermine an accepted manner of performing a task.... his
> experiments
> > > are
> > > > >> on
> > > > >>> a limited set of equipment - so while what he says may be true
> for
> > > 3-4
> > > > >>> devices or even in a small rack... (which in the example of one
> of
> > > the
> > > > >>> "MYTH" series is clearly mentioned on Cisco's site by the way)...
> > > he's
> > > > >>> cluelessly happy thinking he "debunked" a myth or something...
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Others read it, respect the guy for whatever reason, and commit
> that
> > > to
> > > > >>> their accepted beliefs without really checking the facts...
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Dis-Service to the community.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> I'd say stuff like that is uncalled for.... totally uncalled
> for...
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Truthfully - If I were shopping for a class or a vendor at this
> > > moment...
> > > > >>> I'd shop around... that's really called for.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Vendors who put people they never heard of or never even attended
> > > their
> > > > >>> classes bought their products or were totally dis-satisfied with
> > > their
> > > > >>> products and then using those people and their CCIE numbers quite
> > > > >> FALSELY...
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> I'd say that is totally uncalled for.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Check the archives here on GS and use Google to find the slimy
> > > "*Expert"
> > > > >>> companies who fit the M.O....
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Darby
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> http://www.darbyslogs.blogspot.com
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 3:24 AM, Steve Di Bias <
> sdibias_at_gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> Agrred, totally uncalled for :/
> > > > >>>> On Apr 29, 2011 10:23 PM, "Ernest McCaleb" <emccaleb_at_gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >>>>> Uncalled for Darby...
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Ernest McCaleb #21508
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> - As the diameter of a circle of light increases, so does its
> > > > >>>> circumference
> > > > >>>>> of darkness. --Albert Einstein
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 1:15 AM, Darby Weaver <
> > > darby.weaver_at_gmail.com
> > > > >>>>> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> Here's the last segment of the Life with Narbik this week.
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> http://darbyslogs.blogspot.com/2011/04/last-day-at-narbiks-bootcamp-1-800-get
> > > > .html
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> I had a thought about some of the training videos (or even
> > > classes)
> > > > >>>> where
> > > > >>>>>> the material/instructor, etc are having difficulty when they
> don't
> > > > >>>> shave,
> > > > >>>>>> rehearse, or cannot even troubleshoot 2-4 routers on a toplogy
> > > they
> > > > >>>> created
> > > > >>>>>> or at least should have worked out prior to getting in public
> in
> > > front
> > > > >>>> of
> > > > >>>>>> paying students...
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> My advice:
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> 1. If you are one of these instructors - GET HELP -
> Immediately...
> > > > >> Call
> > > > >>>>>> Narbik (1-800-GET-NARBIK) - It's not too late the class you
> save
> > > may
> > > > >> be
> > > > >>>>>> your
> > > > >>>>>> own.
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> 2. If you are a student... ask the offending training company
> to
> > > send
> > > > >>>> you
> > > > >>>>>> Narbik's class instead of theirs for a repeat of the last time
> > > they
> > > > >> may
> > > > >>>>>> have
> > > > >>>>>> botched the job (not 100% just a little... every botch costs
> you
> > > > >>>>>> mistakes...)...
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> I'm writing this as a bit of a joke...
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> However, I've seen videos where well-known and reputable
> > > instructors
> > > > >>>> have
> > > > >>>>>> absolutely no sense of professionalism (yawning, unshaven,
> > > unprepared
> > > > >>>>>> sometimes), make glaring mistakes... (even in CCNA/CCNP level
> > > topics
> > > > >> as
> > > > >>>> a
> > > > >>>>>> CCIE no less) and the list goes on and one and on...
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> I've heard CCIE instructors marvel at Narbik's command
> retention
> > > or
> > > > >> even
> > > > >>>>>> scold the man for not using slides... they hate it.
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> Now watch carefully as some of the pitifully clueless (who are
> > > > >> probably
> > > > >>>>>> guilty as charged) get really upset at me again... for their
> own
> > > > >>>>>> inadequacy...
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> If this is you... STOP - GET HELP... Call 1-800-GET-NARBIK
> today!
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> Don't let another class of students leave wondering how in the
> > > hell
> > > > >> you
> > > > >>>>>> were
> > > > >>>>>> going to resolve that problem, why you fast-forwarded the
> video,
> > > or
> > > > >>>> worse
> > > > >>>>>> never completed the thing... cause of um... "techncial
> > > > >> difficulties"....
> > > > >>>>>> etc.
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> And if you need a class - take a moment and think about it...
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> Talk to your instructor -ask him/her about the competition and
> be
> > > > >>>> nice...
> > > > >>>>>> ask about all of them you care to and then ask them about
> Narbik
> > > and
> > > > >>>> what
> > > > >>>>>> they are going to do better or at least... the best they can
> do to
> > > > >>>>>> compete... they gotta eat too... and need your dime and
> support to
> > > pay
> > > > >>>> for
> > > > >>>>>> their addiction...
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> Guys... you know who you are... it's your turn... I know you
> are
> > > out
> > > > >>>>>> there... speak up - you can unicast... some CCIE instructors
> know
> > > the
> > > > >>>>>> difference.
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> Darby
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> --
> > > > >>>>>> Darby Weaver
> > > > >>>>>> Network Engineer
> > > > >>>>>> http://www.darbyslogs.blogspot.com
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> darbyweaver_at_yahoo.com
> > > > >>>>>>
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> > > > >>> Network Engineer
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