Re: OT (Hint: maybe on-topic if you need to need help)

Darby I wasn't agreeing with you, I was agreeing with Ernest. I'm sure
you're a good guy however bashing vendors in a public forum is just plain
wrong. I myself am a customer of one of the "expert" vendors and the
materials, as well as the support that I get are second to none. Marko,
Scott, Narbik, Tyson and all the others are all excellent instructors, and
we should be grateful they exist, all of them have helped me tremondously in
my CCIE preperation, as well as my career. However that being said I'm going
back to my studies and disengaging from this worthless thread.

Cheers!
On Apr 30, 2011 6:30 AM, "Darby Weaver" <darby.weaver_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> I totally agree with you guys - those materials that are half baked or
NEVER
> materialize are also uncalled for...
>
> Who remembers buying audio from from one company that was never
finished...
> even after it was discontinued...
>
> Who remembers buying video from the came company for labs... apparently
not
> profitable enough for continuation and so it too was abandoned...
>
> But wait!!! Only later the same sets of videos re-appear as a "NEW"
> product... that can be purchased yet again!
>
> That's uncalled for...
>
>
> Dude!
>
> Some of these companies that do this kind of stuff really are uncalled for
> and if everyone who gets shucked and jived speaks up about it....
>
> A lot less of us would ever be calling them again.
>
> But, hey.. that's uncalled for.
>
>
> None of them would ever call for any of the "stuff" they say or do to be
> known publicly... that would be uncalled for.
>
>
>
> Anyone else need to more about what and why this kind of stuff is uncalled
> for?
>
> Look back in the day... we took the *Expert companies at their word since
> after all they had "expert" in the work and started with "I" so I'm sure
in
> the back of all of our naive minds... we were collectively thinking... if
> "I" learn from these "experts" then one day "I" would be an "expert"
too...
>
> Follow the Master
> Walk Beside the Master
> Be the Master
>
> The problem was and still is that some of these guys... not all of them...
> may have never actually worked on a production network at all or never
were
> "the guy" in the first place and so not all of their well intentioned labs
> are wholely baked or worse... like that one guy who keeps trying to
> undermine an accepted manner of performing a task.... his experiments are
on
> a limited set of equipment - so while what he says may be true for 3-4
> devices or even in a small rack... (which in the example of one of the
> "MYTH" series is clearly mentioned on Cisco's site by the way)... he's
> cluelessly happy thinking he "debunked" a myth or something...
>
> Others read it, respect the guy for whatever reason, and commit that to
> their accepted beliefs without really checking the facts...
>
> Dis-Service to the community.
>
> I'd say stuff like that is uncalled for.... totally uncalled for...
>
>
> Truthfully - If I were shopping for a class or a vendor at this moment...
> I'd shop around... that's really called for.
>
> Vendors who put people they never heard of or never even attended their
> classes bought their products or were totally dis-satisfied with their
> products and then using those people and their CCIE numbers quite
FALSELY...
>
> I'd say that is totally uncalled for.
>
> Check the archives here on GS and use Google to find the slimy "*Expert"
> companies who fit the M.O....
>
>
>
> Darby
>
> http://www.darbyslogs.blogspot.com
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 3:24 AM, Steve Di Bias <sdibias_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Agrred, totally uncalled for :/
>> On Apr 29, 2011 10:23 PM, "Ernest McCaleb" <emccaleb_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Uncalled for Darby...
>> >
>> > Ernest McCaleb #21508
>> >
>> > - As the diameter of a circle of light increases, so does its
>> circumference
>> > of darkness. --Albert Einstein
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 1:15 AM, Darby Weaver <darby.weaver_at_gmail.com
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >> Here's the last segment of the Life with Narbik this week.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>
http://darbyslogs.blogspot.com/2011/04/last-day-at-narbiks-bootcamp-1-800-get.html
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I had a thought about some of the training videos (or even classes)
>> where
>> >> the material/instructor, etc are having difficulty when they don't
>> shave,
>> >> rehearse, or cannot even troubleshoot 2-4 routers on a toplogy they
>> created
>> >> or at least should have worked out prior to getting in public in front
>> of
>> >> paying students...
>> >>
>> >> My advice:
>> >>
>> >> 1. If you are one of these instructors - GET HELP - Immediately...
Call
>> >> Narbik (1-800-GET-NARBIK) - It's not too late the class you save may
be
>> >> your
>> >> own.
>> >>
>> >> 2. If you are a student... ask the offending training company to send
>> you
>> >> Narbik's class instead of theirs for a repeat of the last time they
may
>> >> have
>> >> botched the job (not 100% just a little... every botch costs you
>> >> mistakes...)...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I'm writing this as a bit of a joke...
>> >>
>> >> However, I've seen videos where well-known and reputable instructors
>> have
>> >> absolutely no sense of professionalism (yawning, unshaven, unprepared
>> >> sometimes), make glaring mistakes... (even in CCNA/CCNP level topics
as
>> a
>> >> CCIE no less) and the list goes on and one and on...
>> >>
>> >> I've heard CCIE instructors marvel at Narbik's command retention or
even
>> >> scold the man for not using slides... they hate it.
>> >>
>> >> Now watch carefully as some of the pitifully clueless (who are
probably
>> >> guilty as charged) get really upset at me again... for their own
>> >> inadequacy...
>> >>
>> >> If this is you... STOP - GET HELP... Call 1-800-GET-NARBIK today!
>> >>
>> >> Don't let another class of students leave wondering how in the hell
you
>> >> were
>> >> going to resolve that problem, why you fast-forwarded the video, or
>> worse
>> >> never completed the thing... cause of um... "techncial
difficulties"....
>> >> etc.
>> >>
>> >> And if you need a class - take a moment and think about it...
>> >>
>> >> Talk to your instructor -ask him/her about the competition and be
>> nice...
>> >> ask about all of them you care to and then ask them about Narbik and
>> what
>> >> they are going to do better or at least... the best they can do to
>> >> compete... they gotta eat too... and need your dime and support to pay
>> for
>> >> their addiction...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Guys... you know who you are... it's your turn... I know you are out
>> >> there... speak up - you can unicast... some CCIE instructors know the
>> >> difference.
>> >>
>> >> Darby
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Darby Weaver
>> >> Network Engineer
>> >> http://www.darbyslogs.blogspot.com
>> >>
>> >> darbyweaver_at_yahoo.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
>> >>
>> >>
Received on Sat Apr 30 2011 - 10:28:53 ART