Re: NO MAIL ON Group study

Thanks for DDoS attack

Regards,
Gaurav

On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Gaurav Thukral <pearlgaurav_at_gmail.com>wrote:

> I am Waiting for more punches.? Will left this mailer soon.
>
> Regards,
> Gaurav
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Hoogen <hoogen82_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> And.. do not demean the efforts put in by Cisco employee to obtain their
>> CCIE... The effort required is still enormous...
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 12:11 AM, Hoogen <hoogen82_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Just to add on the contrary it is has far more inexpensive to obtain a
>>> CCIE. Dynamips for sure helps people who want to get their R/S or SP... I
>>> have seen people being able to do a significant portion of the
>>> Voice/Security labs on emulators too...
>>>
>>> You do not always have to think about getting a workbook, make your own
>>> topologies. Anthony did some really good stuff for the SP folks... There is
>>> so much more material available these days. It all boils down to how much
>>> effort you are willing to put in... Spending 40K on training is not going to
>>> get you a CCIE unless you put in the effort.
>>>
>>> Groupstudy in my opinion has been the ultimate resource with all so many
>>> good people helping here... So make use of it... You won't be able to afford
>>> their consulting fees anyway.... and here they spend their time answering
>>> and encouraging you... all at no cost...
>>>
>>> Stop worrying about Cisco... Worry about yourself...
>>>
>>> -Hoogen
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 11:43 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Guys,
>>>>
>>>> In some countries the promotion after getting your CCIE is NOT 5K, in
>>>> some
>>>> places the salary is NOT far from 5- 10K per year. But you know what i
>>>> know
>>>> people that live in some of these countries and they always find a way
>>>> and
>>>> become VERY successful.
>>>>
>>>> But is it expensive? YES. No doubt.
>>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 11:35 PM, Rob Routt Jr. (rrouttjr) <
>>>> rrouttjr_at_cisco.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > No one is trying to fight you on this. We are just trying to help.
>>>> Fact
>>>> > is, people who really want to do this will find a way no matter the
>>>> cost
>>>> > like they have in the past.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > -R
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > *From:* Gaurav Thukral [mailto:pearlgaurav_at_gmail.com]
>>>> > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 27, 2010 12:26 AM
>>>> > *To:* Rob Routt Jr. (rrouttjr)
>>>> > *Cc:* Narbik Kocharians; Group study
>>>> >
>>>> > *Subject:* Re: NO MAIL ON Group study
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Guys
>>>> >
>>>> > i do not wanna fight guys . The point I am trying to make is that it
>>>> is
>>>> > expensive now nothing more than that.
>>>> >
>>>> > Regards,
>>>> > Gaurav
>>>> >
>>>> > On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Rob Routt Jr. (rrouttjr) <
>>>> > rrouttjr_at_cisco.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > I spent around $5k last year on my own training, lab attempt, lunch in
>>>> > San Jose, etc..My earnings have not gone anywhere.(obviously right!) I
>>>> > spent over $40k on a Bachelor's degree. Since I have obtained my BD,
>>>> my
>>>> > earnings have kept up w/inflation, that is about it. Not sure that the
>>>> > degree has had anything to do with that since my degree is not related
>>>> > to what I do. The point I am trying to make is that it is an
>>>> investment,
>>>> > but the ability to recover the investment is much shorter than my
>>>> > student loans will be. I would bet CCIE investment will pay dividends
>>>> > that are much more lucrative and longer-lasting if you stay in IT. I
>>>> > think Narbik has a good point and I believe most folks whom have spent
>>>> > their own money would too. You have to pay to play to some extent.
>>>> Maybe
>>>> > look @ CCIE vs. CCA for cost justification if that would help :)
>>>> >
>>>> > -R
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>>> > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>>>> Of
>>>> >
>>>> > Narbik Kocharians
>>>> > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 12:09 AM
>>>> > To: Gaurav Thukral
>>>> > Cc: Group study
>>>> > Subject: Re: NO MAIL ON Group study
>>>> >
>>>> > Well, it depends on your approach, the process should NOT cost you
>>>> more
>>>> > than
>>>> > 5400 dollars, and that is with 2 tries. and you typically get that
>>>> back
>>>> > within the first year or two and then some (In MOST of the cases). So
>>>> is
>>>> > it
>>>> > expensive? YES, is it worth it? Heck yeh.
>>>> >
>>>> > On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:49 PM, Gaurav Thukral
>>>> > <pearlgaurav_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > > I agree Narbik. It is very expensive. Everybody can not afford it
>>>> and
>>>> > that
>>>> > > is true.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Regards,
>>>> > > Gaurav
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Narbik Kocharians
>>>> > <narbikk_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>>>> > >
>>>> > >> Unfortunately the tracks or certificates that are worth focusing on
>>>> > are
>>>> > >> the expensive ones. But one way to look at it is the fact that you
>>>> do
>>>> > make
>>>> > >> more money, and it's no longer a win win situation, it's a win win
>>>> > win
>>>> > >> situations for all three parties (You, Your firm and Cisco).
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:38 PM, Gaurav Thukral
>>>> > <pearlgaurav_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >>> Doing a CCIE with your OWN money or if u r employer will pay for
>>>> it
>>>> > >>> ....difference a lot
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>> Regards,
>>>> > >>> Gaurav
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 10:41 AM, GAURAV MADAN <
>>>> > >>> gauravmadan1177_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>> > Again .. its the perspective how you look at it ..
>>>> > >>> >
>>>> > >>> > If by *normal person* you mean someone who has not previously
>>>> > worked
>>>> > >>> > on these platforms and he/she want to do this kind of
>>>> > ceritfication ?
>>>> > >>> > If thats the case ... I will not second the idea ... simply
>>>> > because
>>>> > >>> > you will not be advocate the solutions / real life deployments
>>>> > using
>>>> > >>> > these products .
>>>> > >>> >
>>>> > >>> > Gaurav Madan
>>>> > >>> > CCIE # 23863
>>>> > >>> >
>>>> > >>> > On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 7:56 AM, Gaurav Thukral
>>>> > <pearlgaurav_at_gmail.com
>>>> > >>> >
>>>> > >>> > wrote:
>>>> > >>> > > Hi
>>>> > >>> > >
>>>> > >>> > > I have no problem with hardware / architecture . I worked in
>>>> > CISCO as
>>>> > >>> a
>>>> > >>> > NCE
>>>> > >>> > > and also worked on a very large networks. Logic behind the
>>>> mail
>>>> > was
>>>> > >>> for a
>>>> > >>> > > normal person it is tough to afford CCIE SP & IOS-XR will not
>>>> be
>>>> > >>> easily
>>>> > >>> > > available.
>>>> > >>> > >
>>>> > >>> > > Regards,
>>>> > >>> > > Gaurav
>>>> > >>> > >
>>>> > >>> > > On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 7:47 AM, Gaurav Thukral <
>>>> > >>> pearlgaurav_at_gmail.com>
>>>> > >>> > > wrote:
>>>> > >>> > >>
>>>> > >>> > >> Hi
>>>> > >>> > >>
>>>> > >>> > >> Now it will become very costly dear. .......If u r a Cisco
>>>> > Employee
>>>> > >>> then
>>>> > >>> > >> it is ok for you. Becoz u have free 3 attempts & 5 with
>>>> Manager
>>>> > >>> > approval.
>>>> > >>> > >> For a normal person it is very tough to afford. My thoughts
>>>> > are
>>>> > >>> clear
>>>> > >>> > about
>>>> > >>> > >> CCIE.
>>>> > >>> > >>
>>>> > >>> > >> Regards,
>>>> > >>> > >> Gaurav
>>>> > >>> > >>
>>>> > >>> > >> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:34 PM, GAURAV MADAN <
>>>> > >>> > gauravmadan1177_at_gmail.com>
>>>> > >>> > >> wrote:
>>>> > >>> > >>>
>>>> > >>> > >>> Gaurav ,
>>>> > >>> > >>>
>>>> > >>> > >>> That's a bold statement and a statement at which most will
>>>> > laugh
>>>> > >>> and
>>>> > >>> > >>> ignore.
>>>> > >>> > >>> Diff. people have diff. views of CCIE as a certification .
>>>> > >>> > >>>
>>>> > >>> > >>> But when Cisco say that you are a CCIE .. that means you are
>>>> > expert
>>>> > >>> in
>>>> > >>> > >>> technology as well as product and you can handle related
>>>> stuff
>>>> > . So
>>>> > >>> if
>>>> > >>> > >>> you say that you are leaving race just because of new
>>>> hardware
>>>> > in
>>>> > >>> lab
>>>> > >>> > >>> .. the fact is you shd first get the feel of hardware /
>>>> > >>> architecture
>>>> > >>> > >>> etc before you jump on CCIE lab . Just think why Cisco is
>>>> > >>> introducing
>>>> > >>> > >>> new hardware in lab .. does Cisco has some personal rivalry
>>>> > with
>>>> > >>> you
>>>> > >>> > >>> ?? No .. that's because Cisco see a market going in that
>>>> > direction
>>>> > >>> ..
>>>> > >>> > >>>
>>>> > >>> > >>> So better clear you view abt CCIE :)
>>>> > >>> > >>>
>>>> > >>> > >>> Gaurav Madan
>>>> > >>> > >>> CCIE # 23863
>>>> > >>> > >>>
>>>> > >>> > >>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Gaurav Thukral <
>>>> > >>> pearlgaurav_at_gmail.com
>>>> > >>> > >
>>>> > >>> > >>> wrote:
>>>> > >>> > >>> > Hi,
>>>> > >>> > >>> >
>>>> > >>> > >>> > I think people stopped studying CISCO . There are no mails
>>>> > on
>>>> > >>> > >>> > groupstudy or
>>>> > >>> > >>> > they solved all the troubleshooting tickets?
>>>> > >>> > >>> >
>>>> > >>> > >>> > I have seen the new CCIE SP blueprint. I think very few
>>>> > people
>>>> > >>> will
>>>> > >>> > go
>>>> > >>> > >>> > for
>>>> > >>> > >>> > it. CISCO will not be able to generate so much revenue
>>>> from
>>>> > CCIE
>>>> > >>> > >>> > Certifications further.
>>>> > >>> > >>> >
>>>> > >>> > >>> > Regards,
>>>> > >>> > >>> >
>>>> > >>> > >>> > Gaurav
>>>> > >>> > >>> >
>>>> > >>> > >>> >
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>>>> > >>> > >>> >
>>>> > >>> > >>> >
>>>> > >>> >
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>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> --
>>>> > >> Narbik Kocharians
>>>> > >> CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
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