Re: NO MAIL ON Group study

 I am Waiting for more punches.? Will left this mailer soon.

Regards,
Gaurav

On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Hoogen <hoogen82_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> And.. do not demean the efforts put in by Cisco employee to obtain their
> CCIE... The effort required is still enormous...
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 12:11 AM, Hoogen <hoogen82_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Just to add on the contrary it is has far more inexpensive to obtain a
>> CCIE. Dynamips for sure helps people who want to get their R/S or SP... I
>> have seen people being able to do a significant portion of the
>> Voice/Security labs on emulators too...
>>
>> You do not always have to think about getting a workbook, make your own
>> topologies. Anthony did some really good stuff for the SP folks... There is
>> so much more material available these days. It all boils down to how much
>> effort you are willing to put in... Spending 40K on training is not going to
>> get you a CCIE unless you put in the effort.
>>
>> Groupstudy in my opinion has been the ultimate resource with all so many
>> good people helping here... So make use of it... You won't be able to afford
>> their consulting fees anyway.... and here they spend their time answering
>> and encouraging you... all at no cost...
>>
>> Stop worrying about Cisco... Worry about yourself...
>>
>> -Hoogen
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 11:43 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Guys,
>>>
>>> In some countries the promotion after getting your CCIE is NOT 5K, in
>>> some
>>> places the salary is NOT far from 5- 10K per year. But you know what i
>>> know
>>> people that live in some of these countries and they always find a way
>>> and
>>> become VERY successful.
>>>
>>> But is it expensive? YES. No doubt.
>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 11:35 PM, Rob Routt Jr. (rrouttjr) <
>>> rrouttjr_at_cisco.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > No one is trying to fight you on this. We are just trying to help.
>>> Fact
>>> > is, people who really want to do this will find a way no matter the
>>> cost
>>> > like they have in the past.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > -R
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > *From:* Gaurav Thukral [mailto:pearlgaurav_at_gmail.com]
>>> > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 27, 2010 12:26 AM
>>> > *To:* Rob Routt Jr. (rrouttjr)
>>> > *Cc:* Narbik Kocharians; Group study
>>> >
>>> > *Subject:* Re: NO MAIL ON Group study
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Guys
>>> >
>>> > i do not wanna fight guys . The point I am trying to make is that it is
>>> > expensive now nothing more than that.
>>> >
>>> > Regards,
>>> > Gaurav
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Rob Routt Jr. (rrouttjr) <
>>> > rrouttjr_at_cisco.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I spent around $5k last year on my own training, lab attempt, lunch in
>>> > San Jose, etc..My earnings have not gone anywhere.(obviously right!) I
>>> > spent over $40k on a Bachelor's degree. Since I have obtained my BD, my
>>> > earnings have kept up w/inflation, that is about it. Not sure that the
>>> > degree has had anything to do with that since my degree is not related
>>> > to what I do. The point I am trying to make is that it is an
>>> investment,
>>> > but the ability to recover the investment is much shorter than my
>>> > student loans will be. I would bet CCIE investment will pay dividends
>>> > that are much more lucrative and longer-lasting if you stay in IT. I
>>> > think Narbik has a good point and I believe most folks whom have spent
>>> > their own money would too. You have to pay to play to some extent.
>>> Maybe
>>> > look @ CCIE vs. CCA for cost justification if that would help :)
>>> >
>>> > -R
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>>> Of
>>> >
>>> > Narbik Kocharians
>>> > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 12:09 AM
>>> > To: Gaurav Thukral
>>> > Cc: Group study
>>> > Subject: Re: NO MAIL ON Group study
>>> >
>>> > Well, it depends on your approach, the process should NOT cost you more
>>> > than
>>> > 5400 dollars, and that is with 2 tries. and you typically get that back
>>> > within the first year or two and then some (In MOST of the cases). So
>>> is
>>> > it
>>> > expensive? YES, is it worth it? Heck yeh.
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:49 PM, Gaurav Thukral
>>> > <pearlgaurav_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > I agree Narbik. It is very expensive. Everybody can not afford it and
>>> > that
>>> > > is true.
>>> > >
>>> > > Regards,
>>> > > Gaurav
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Narbik Kocharians
>>> > <narbikk_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > >> Unfortunately the tracks or certificates that are worth focusing on
>>> > are
>>> > >> the expensive ones. But one way to look at it is the fact that you
>>> do
>>> > make
>>> > >> more money, and it's no longer a win win situation, it's a win win
>>> > win
>>> > >> situations for all three parties (You, Your firm and Cisco).
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:38 PM, Gaurav Thukral
>>> > <pearlgaurav_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>>> > >>
>>> > >>> Doing a CCIE with your OWN money or if u r employer will pay for it
>>> > >>> ....difference a lot
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> Regards,
>>> > >>> Gaurav
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 10:41 AM, GAURAV MADAN <
>>> > >>> gauravmadan1177_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> > Again .. its the perspective how you look at it ..
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> > If by *normal person* you mean someone who has not previously
>>> > worked
>>> > >>> > on these platforms and he/she want to do this kind of
>>> > ceritfication ?
>>> > >>> > If thats the case ... I will not second the idea ... simply
>>> > because
>>> > >>> > you will not be advocate the solutions / real life deployments
>>> > using
>>> > >>> > these products .
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> > Gaurav Madan
>>> > >>> > CCIE # 23863
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> > On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 7:56 AM, Gaurav Thukral
>>> > <pearlgaurav_at_gmail.com
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> > wrote:
>>> > >>> > > Hi
>>> > >>> > >
>>> > >>> > > I have no problem with hardware / architecture . I worked in
>>> > CISCO as
>>> > >>> a
>>> > >>> > NCE
>>> > >>> > > and also worked on a very large networks. Logic behind the mail
>>> > was
>>> > >>> for a
>>> > >>> > > normal person it is tough to afford CCIE SP & IOS-XR will not
>>> be
>>> > >>> easily
>>> > >>> > > available.
>>> > >>> > >
>>> > >>> > > Regards,
>>> > >>> > > Gaurav
>>> > >>> > >
>>> > >>> > > On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 7:47 AM, Gaurav Thukral <
>>> > >>> pearlgaurav_at_gmail.com>
>>> > >>> > > wrote:
>>> > >>> > >>
>>> > >>> > >> Hi
>>> > >>> > >>
>>> > >>> > >> Now it will become very costly dear. .......If u r a Cisco
>>> > Employee
>>> > >>> then
>>> > >>> > >> it is ok for you. Becoz u have free 3 attempts & 5 with
>>> Manager
>>> > >>> > approval.
>>> > >>> > >> For a normal person it is very tough to afford. My thoughts
>>> > are
>>> > >>> clear
>>> > >>> > about
>>> > >>> > >> CCIE.
>>> > >>> > >>
>>> > >>> > >> Regards,
>>> > >>> > >> Gaurav
>>> > >>> > >>
>>> > >>> > >> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:34 PM, GAURAV MADAN <
>>> > >>> > gauravmadan1177_at_gmail.com>
>>> > >>> > >> wrote:
>>> > >>> > >>>
>>> > >>> > >>> Gaurav ,
>>> > >>> > >>>
>>> > >>> > >>> That's a bold statement and a statement at which most will
>>> > laugh
>>> > >>> and
>>> > >>> > >>> ignore.
>>> > >>> > >>> Diff. people have diff. views of CCIE as a certification .
>>> > >>> > >>>
>>> > >>> > >>> But when Cisco say that you are a CCIE .. that means you are
>>> > expert
>>> > >>> in
>>> > >>> > >>> technology as well as product and you can handle related
>>> stuff
>>> > . So
>>> > >>> if
>>> > >>> > >>> you say that you are leaving race just because of new
>>> hardware
>>> > in
>>> > >>> lab
>>> > >>> > >>> .. the fact is you shd first get the feel of hardware /
>>> > >>> architecture
>>> > >>> > >>> etc before you jump on CCIE lab . Just think why Cisco is
>>> > >>> introducing
>>> > >>> > >>> new hardware in lab .. does Cisco has some personal rivalry
>>> > with
>>> > >>> you
>>> > >>> > >>> ?? No .. that's because Cisco see a market going in that
>>> > direction
>>> > >>> ..
>>> > >>> > >>>
>>> > >>> > >>> So better clear you view abt CCIE :)
>>> > >>> > >>>
>>> > >>> > >>> Gaurav Madan
>>> > >>> > >>> CCIE # 23863
>>> > >>> > >>>
>>> > >>> > >>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Gaurav Thukral <
>>> > >>> pearlgaurav_at_gmail.com
>>> > >>> > >
>>> > >>> > >>> wrote:
>>> > >>> > >>> > Hi,
>>> > >>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> > >>> > I think people stopped studying CISCO . There are no mails
>>> > on
>>> > >>> > >>> > groupstudy or
>>> > >>> > >>> > they solved all the troubleshooting tickets?
>>> > >>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> > >>> > I have seen the new CCIE SP blueprint. I think very few
>>> > people
>>> > >>> will
>>> > >>> > go
>>> > >>> > >>> > for
>>> > >>> > >>> > it. CISCO will not be able to generate so much revenue from
>>> > CCIE
>>> > >>> > >>> > Certifications further.
>>> > >>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> > >>> > Regards,
>>> > >>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> > >>> > Gaurav
>>> > >>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> > >>> >
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>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> --
>>> > >> Narbik Kocharians
>>> > >> CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
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