Re: NO MAIL ON Group study

Hoogen,

When you're full time job is to get ccie and you are paid for it, for test lab and rest, what's left? Your brains ability to show its worth. But, when you have to work full time, study after that, pay for lab test equipment, pay for written, pay for lab test (lucky if you pass 1st attempt), list goes on, THAT is effort.
That is what makes it challenging and expensive!!!

As far as material goes... When I did my ccna back in 2001, there wasn't much but people still got their ccie... How? What material did they use? I would love them to answer that.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Hoogen <hoogen82_at_gmail.com>
Sender: nobody_at_groupstudy.com
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 00:16:17
To: Narbik Kocharians<narbikk_at_gmail.com>; Gaurav Thukral<pearlgaurav_at_gmail.com>
Reply-To: Hoogen <hoogen82_at_gmail.com>
Cc: Rob Routt Jr. (rrouttjr)<rrouttjr_at_cisco.com>; Group study<ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
Subject: Re: NO MAIL ON Group study

And.. do not demean the efforts put in by Cisco employee to obtain their
CCIE... The effort required is still enormous...

On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 12:11 AM, Hoogen <hoogen82_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> Just to add on the contrary it is has far more inexpensive to obtain a
> CCIE. Dynamips for sure helps people who want to get their R/S or SP... I
> have seen people being able to do a significant portion of the
> Voice/Security labs on emulators too...
>
> You do not always have to think about getting a workbook, make your own
> topologies. Anthony did some really good stuff for the SP folks... There is
> so much more material available these days. It all boils down to how much
> effort you are willing to put in... Spending 40K on training is not going to
> get you a CCIE unless you put in the effort.
>
> Groupstudy in my opinion has been the ultimate resource with all so many
> good people helping here... So make use of it... You won't be able to afford
> their consulting fees anyway.... and here they spend their time answering
> and encouraging you... all at no cost...
>
> Stop worrying about Cisco... Worry about yourself...
>
> -Hoogen
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 11:43 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Guys,
>>
>> In some countries the promotion after getting your CCIE is NOT 5K, in some
>> places the salary is NOT far from 5- 10K per year. But you know what i
>> know
>> people that live in some of these countries and they always find a way and
>> become VERY successful.
>>
>> But is it expensive? YES. No doubt.
>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 11:35 PM, Rob Routt Jr. (rrouttjr) <
>> rrouttjr_at_cisco.com> wrote:
>>
>> > No one is trying to fight you on this. We are just trying to help. Fact
>> > is, people who really want to do this will find a way no matter the cost
>> > like they have in the past.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -R
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > *From:* Gaurav Thukral [mailto:pearlgaurav_at_gmail.com]
>> > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 27, 2010 12:26 AM
>> > *To:* Rob Routt Jr. (rrouttjr)
>> > *Cc:* Narbik Kocharians; Group study
>> >
>> > *Subject:* Re: NO MAIL ON Group study
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Guys
>> >
>> > i do not wanna fight guys . The point I am trying to make is that it is
>> > expensive now nothing more than that.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Gaurav
>> >
>> > On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Rob Routt Jr. (rrouttjr) <
>> > rrouttjr_at_cisco.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > I spent around $5k last year on my own training, lab attempt, lunch in
>> > San Jose, etc..My earnings have not gone anywhere.(obviously right!) I
>> > spent over $40k on a Bachelor's degree. Since I have obtained my BD, my
>> > earnings have kept up w/inflation, that is about it. Not sure that the
>> > degree has had anything to do with that since my degree is not related
>> > to what I do. The point I am trying to make is that it is an investment,
>> > but the ability to recover the investment is much shorter than my
>> > student loans will be. I would bet CCIE investment will pay dividends
>> > that are much more lucrative and longer-lasting if you stay in IT. I
>> > think Narbik has a good point and I believe most folks whom have spent
>> > their own money would too. You have to pay to play to some extent. Maybe
>> > look @ CCIE vs. CCA for cost justification if that would help :)
>> >
>> > -R
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> >
>> > Narbik Kocharians
>> > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 12:09 AM
>> > To: Gaurav Thukral
>> > Cc: Group study
>> > Subject: Re: NO MAIL ON Group study
>> >
>> > Well, it depends on your approach, the process should NOT cost you more
>> > than
>> > 5400 dollars, and that is with 2 tries. and you typically get that back
>> > within the first year or two and then some (In MOST of the cases). So is
>> > it
>> > expensive? YES, is it worth it? Heck yeh.
>> >
>> > On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:49 PM, Gaurav Thukral
>> > <pearlgaurav_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>> >
>> > > I agree Narbik. It is very expensive. Everybody can not afford it and
>> > that
>> > > is true.
>> > >
>> > > Regards,
>> > > Gaurav
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Narbik Kocharians
>> > <narbikk_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> Unfortunately the tracks or certificates that are worth focusing on
>> > are
>> > >> the expensive ones. But one way to look at it is the fact that you do
>> > make
>> > >> more money, and it's no longer a win win situation, it's a win win
>> > win
>> > >> situations for all three parties (You, Your firm and Cisco).
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:38 PM, Gaurav Thukral
>> > <pearlgaurav_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>> Doing a CCIE with your OWN money or if u r employer will pay for it
>> > >>> ....difference a lot
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Regards,
>> > >>> Gaurav
>> > >>>
>> > >>> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 10:41 AM, GAURAV MADAN <
>> > >>> gauravmadan1177_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>> > >>>
>> > >>> > Again .. its the perspective how you look at it ..
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > If by *normal person* you mean someone who has not previously
>> > worked
>> > >>> > on these platforms and he/she want to do this kind of
>> > ceritfication ?
>> > >>> > If thats the case ... I will not second the idea ... simply
>> > because
>> > >>> > you will not be advocate the solutions / real life deployments
>> > using
>> > >>> > these products .
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > Gaurav Madan
>> > >>> > CCIE # 23863
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 7:56 AM, Gaurav Thukral
>> > <pearlgaurav_at_gmail.com
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > wrote:
>> > >>> > > Hi
>> > >>> > >
>> > >>> > > I have no problem with hardware / architecture . I worked in
>> > CISCO as
>> > >>> a
>> > >>> > NCE
>> > >>> > > and also worked on a very large networks. Logic behind the mail
>> > was
>> > >>> for a
>> > >>> > > normal person it is tough to afford CCIE SP & IOS-XR will not be
>> > >>> easily
>> > >>> > > available.
>> > >>> > >
>> > >>> > > Regards,
>> > >>> > > Gaurav
>> > >>> > >
>> > >>> > > On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 7:47 AM, Gaurav Thukral <
>> > >>> pearlgaurav_at_gmail.com>
>> > >>> > > wrote:
>> > >>> > >>
>> > >>> > >> Hi
>> > >>> > >>
>> > >>> > >> Now it will become very costly dear. .......If u r a Cisco
>> > Employee
>> > >>> then
>> > >>> > >> it is ok for you. Becoz u have free 3 attempts & 5 with Manager
>> > >>> > approval.
>> > >>> > >> For a normal person it is very tough to afford. My thoughts
>> > are
>> > >>> clear
>> > >>> > about
>> > >>> > >> CCIE.
>> > >>> > >>
>> > >>> > >> Regards,
>> > >>> > >> Gaurav
>> > >>> > >>
>> > >>> > >> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:34 PM, GAURAV MADAN <
>> > >>> > gauravmadan1177_at_gmail.com>
>> > >>> > >> wrote:
>> > >>> > >>>
>> > >>> > >>> Gaurav ,
>> > >>> > >>>
>> > >>> > >>> That's a bold statement and a statement at which most will
>> > laugh
>> > >>> and
>> > >>> > >>> ignore.
>> > >>> > >>> Diff. people have diff. views of CCIE as a certification .
>> > >>> > >>>
>> > >>> > >>> But when Cisco say that you are a CCIE .. that means you are
>> > expert
>> > >>> in
>> > >>> > >>> technology as well as product and you can handle related stuff
>> > . So
>> > >>> if
>> > >>> > >>> you say that you are leaving race just because of new hardware
>> > in
>> > >>> lab
>> > >>> > >>> .. the fact is you shd first get the feel of hardware /
>> > >>> architecture
>> > >>> > >>> etc before you jump on CCIE lab . Just think why Cisco is
>> > >>> introducing
>> > >>> > >>> new hardware in lab .. does Cisco has some personal rivalry
>> > with
>> > >>> you
>> > >>> > >>> ?? No .. that's because Cisco see a market going in that
>> > direction
>> > >>> ..
>> > >>> > >>>
>> > >>> > >>> So better clear you view abt CCIE :)
>> > >>> > >>>
>> > >>> > >>> Gaurav Madan
>> > >>> > >>> CCIE # 23863
>> > >>> > >>>
>> > >>> > >>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Gaurav Thukral <
>> > >>> pearlgaurav_at_gmail.com
>> > >>> > >
>> > >>> > >>> wrote:
>> > >>> > >>> > Hi,
>> > >>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > >>> > I think people stopped studying CISCO . There are no mails
>> > on
>> > >>> > >>> > groupstudy or
>> > >>> > >>> > they solved all the troubleshooting tickets?
>> > >>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > >>> > I have seen the new CCIE SP blueprint. I think very few
>> > people
>> > >>> will
>> > >>> > go
>> > >>> > >>> > for
>> > >>> > >>> > it. CISCO will not be able to generate so much revenue from
>> > CCIE
>> > >>> > >>> > Certifications further.
>> > >>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > >>> > Regards,
>> > >>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > >>> > Gaurav
>> > >>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > >>> > Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
>> > >>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > >>> >
>> > >>> >
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>> > >>
>> > >> --
>> > >> Narbik Kocharians
>> > >> CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
>> >
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