RE: Planning a bootcamp

Anthony,

Where is this coming from? Petr and I were talking about the lab exam (As
was most of this string), poking back and forth. Sometimes reading the
first line in an email and responding makes for silly responses. I wasn't
speaking of the written for retaking ;)

Regards,
 
Tyson Scott - CCIE #13513 R&S, Security, and SP
Technical Instructor - IPexpert, Inc.
Mailto: tscott_at_ipexpert.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Sequeira [mailto:asequeira_at_ine.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 4:01 PM
To: Tyson Scott
Cc: 'Petr Lapukhov'; 'Kambiz Agahian'; 'john matijevic'; 'Joe Astorino';
'Scott Morris'; 'Charles Carmichael'; 'Cisco certification'
Subject: Re: Planning a bootcamp

Every time I think I am out of the thread....they pull me back in!

Just kidding! :-)

Hi TS!

There are some interesting rules in place on the written I have noticed.
There is a required delay period implemented after the lab pass, then if you
fail it once you try recert, a delay period, then if you pass it, another
delay period kicks in.

I have always assumed these are in place to help protect the integrity.

As an author of written prep materials, I always visit (and pass :-) ) the
R&S written about every 6 months just to keep fresh with the style and
scope. I have never been denied access to the written with that type of
frequency.

On May 12, 2010, at 2:54 PM, Tyson Scott wrote:

> Petr,
>
> I know we are beating a dead topic here but have you recently taken the
R&S
> written? I tried with my SP when I had taken it but thinking about it
more;
> I think I tried to schedule just after having passed the exam and I think
I
> got something very similar. But I can see the schedule for all the tracks
I
> have taken a written for in the past.
>
> But I know I have been told no in the past by one of the proctor's about
> retaking tests, just curious about the scheduling site. I don't currently
> have any written exams that would be valid for me to test.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: petrsoft_at_gmail.com [mailto:petrsoft_at_gmail.com] On Behalf Of Petr
> Lapukhov
> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 2:17 PM
> To: Tyson Scott
> Cc: Kambiz Agahian; john matijevic; Anthony Sequeira; Joe Astorino; Scott
> Morris; Charles Carmichael; Cisco certification
> Subject: Re: Planning a bootcamp
>
> Oh, I put the prospective lab date in September (out of the 90 days
> range) and this is what I got:
>
> ERROR: 5.6.8.D: You missed the deadline. lab must be passed within
> three years of passing the written exam. (No Data Updated).
>
> FAIL :)
>
> 2010/5/12 Tyson Scott <tscott_at_ipexpert.com>:
>> I'll pay 25% if you want to take your R&S again ;)
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Tyson Scott - CCIE #13513 R&S, Security, and SP
>> Technical Instructor - IPexpert, Inc.
>> Mailto: tscott_at_ipexpert.com
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: petrsoft_at_gmail.com [mailto:petrsoft_at_gmail.com] On Behalf Of Petr
>> Lapukhov
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 2:09 PM
>> To: Tyson Scott
>> Cc: Kambiz Agahian; john matijevic; Anthony Sequeira; Joe Astorino; Scott
>> Morris; Charles Carmichael; Cisco certification
>> Subject: Re: Planning a bootcamp
>>
>> Wonder if it worth paying $1400 to see the request being rejected or
>> approved :)
>>
>> 2010/5/12 Tyson Scott <tscott_at_ipexpert.com>:
>>> You can select it but from previous experience they will reject the
>>> scheduling request. I did this when I was working on my SP recently.
>>> Unless something has changed very recently.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Tyson Scott - CCIE #13513 R&S, Security, and SP
>>> Technical Instructor - IPexpert, Inc.
>>> Mailto: tscott_at_ipexpert.com
>>> Telephone: +1.810.326.1444, ext. 208
>>> Live Assistance, Please visit: www.ipexpert.com/chat
>>> eFax: +1.810.454.0130
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: petrsoft_at_gmail.com [mailto:petrsoft_at_gmail.com] On Behalf Of Petr
>>> Lapukhov
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 1:42 PM
>>> To: Tyson Scott
>>> Cc: Kambiz Agahian; john matijevic; Anthony Sequeira; Joe Astorino;
Scott
>>> Morris; Charles Carmichael; Cisco certification
>>> Subject: Re: Planning a bootcamp
>>>
>>> Surprisingly enough, I just opened CCIE lab scheduler and found I can
>>> select the CCIE R&S lab again. Didn't try other labs, as I have to
>>> re-login using my other written lab date and score, etc. However, as
>>> for recertification I'd rather take the written test (looking for CCDE
>>> written), as paying $350 out of my pocket seems more reasonable than
>>> $1400. Why fun is always expensive?! ;)
>>>
>>> PS
>>> I went as far as "credit card payment" where I reasonably decided to
stop
>> :)
>>>
>>> 2010/5/12 Tyson Scott <tscott_at_ipexpert.com>:
>>>> Taking the lab of another CCIE track can renew a previous CCIE you
have.
>>> We
>>>> have asked in the past. You are not allowed to take the same exam
again
>>>> unless you let your certification lapse. Who wants to do that ;)
>>>>
>>>> Anthony was spot on.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Tyson Scott - CCIE #13513 R&S, Security, and SP
>>>> Technical Instructor - IPexpert, Inc.
>>>> Mailto: tscott_at_ipexpert.com
>>>> Telephone: +1.810.326.1444, ext. 208
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>>>> Kambiz Agahian
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 12:09 AM
>>>> To: john matijevic; Anthony Sequeira
>>>> Cc: Joe Astorino; Scott Morris; Charles Carmichael; Cisco certification
>>>> Subject: RE: Planning a bootcamp
>>>>
>>>> Guys,
>>>>
>>>> I'd open a case with the Cert support team to verify my interpretation.
>>>> In cases like this no one wants to take a risk.
>>>>
>>>> HTH
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------
>>>> Kambiz Agahian
>>>> CCIE (R&S), CCSI, WAASSE, RSSSE
>>>> Technical Instructor
>>>> CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Solutions Partner (CLSP)
>>>> Email: kagahian_at_ccbootcamp.com
>>>> Toll Free: 877-654-2243
>>>> International: +1-702-968-5100
>>>> Skype: skype:ccbootcamp?call
>>>> FAX: +1-702-446-8012
>>>> YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
>>>> Training And Remote Racks: http://www.ccbootcamp.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.c
>>>> om] On Behalf Of john matijevic
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 8:57 PM
>>>> To: Anthony Sequeira
>>>> Cc: Joe Astorino; Scott Morris; Charles Carmichael; Cisco certification
>>>> Subject: Re: Planning a bootcamp
>>>>
>>>> Anthony,
>>>> According to Cisco website again:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/le3/ccie/recert/index.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> CCIEs Are Required to Recertify Every Two Years
>>>> Active CCIE status shows your commitment to maintaining expert-level
>>>> knowledge in an industry critical to the success of virtually every
>>>> organization. CCIEs are encouraged to continually expand their
technical
>>>> knowledge and are required to* pass a recertification exam* every two
>>>> years.
>>>> If you do not complete your recertification before the deadlines, your
>>>> CCIE
>>>> certification will be suspended and you and your employer will lose the
>>>> benefits associated with your expert status. You have one year to
>>>> reinstate
>>>> your CCIE status before you becomes inactive and must begin the
>>>> certification process all over again.
>>>>
>>>> To maintain active status, every 24 months CCIEs are required to pass
>>>> one of
>>>> the following: any CCIE written exam of their choosing, a CCIE lab
exam,
>>>> or
>>>> either of the CCDE exams.
>>>>
>>>> If you can provide documentation stating otherwise this is directly
>>>> from
>>>> Cisco's website and applies to all CCIE tracks.
>>>>
>>>> I personnaly believe that CCIE should have to recertify by taking the
>>>> lab
>>>> again. Probably would eliminate many becuase of the cost but in the end
>>>> I
>>>> believe you will have stronger engineers, and since the lab exam topics
>>>> are
>>>> closely related to job functions of Senior level engineer.
>>>>
>>>> But if you can provide documentation stating otherwise. I would have to
>>>> go
>>>> by what Cisco has documented on the website, unless they posted
>>>> inaccurate
>>>> information.
>>>>
>>>> Warm regards,
>>>> John Matijevic
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 11:45 PM, Anthony Sequeira <asequeira_at_ine.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> The lab exam you are referring to is in another track.
>>>>>
>>>>> So - the only way that I can take the R&S exam again is to let my R&S
>>>> certification expire.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 11, 2010, at 11:39 PM, john matijevic wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Good Evening Gentlemen,
>>>>>> As a former CCIE that is currently in process of recertification.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> First off I would like to correct Mr. Anthony Sequeira.
>>>>>> As stated in earlier thread.
>>>>>> "Once we pass the lab exam for a track, we are not permitted to take
>>>> the
>>>>>> lab exam again"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> According to Cisco recertification documenation:
>>>>>> http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/le3/ccie/recert/index.html
>>>>>> Recertification Details
>>>>>> To maintain active status, every 24 months CCIEs are required to
>>>> pass
>>>>>> one of the following: any CCIE written exam of their choosing, a CCIE
>>>>>> lab exam, or either of the CCDE exams.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It appears that a CCIE can recertify by passing the lab again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Im not implying or trying to say that you should go by weather there
>>>>>> is a current CCIE with a training vendor, I agree with the other
>>>> folks
>>>>>> in saying that there are many great instructors as I have been a
>>>>>> student of many on this list. I will be more active as I will have to
>>>>>> retake the written and the lab exam again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>> John Matijevic
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 8:44 PM, Joe Astorino
>>>> <jastorino_at_ipexpert.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> As usual, I agree 100% with what Scott is saying. No vendor or
>>>> person
>>>>>>> is going to hand you a CCIE. We can all help provide you with
>>>>>>> materials and great training that will allow you to acquire the
>>>> skills
>>>>>>> necessary to earn one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Scott Morris <swm_at_emanon.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Passing the lab today versus last year versus 10 years ago has
>>>> nothing
>>>>>>>> to do with whether they know what they are doing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And that's the point in that it shouldn't be part of the criteria!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Marko is a great guy, and very bright... NO doubt about that. but
>>>> he's
>>>>>>>> not going to teach you the "exam", he's going to teach you the
>>>>>>>> technologies and how to work through them so that YOU can pass the
>>>> lab.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's the same thing that I would do. It's the same thing Anthony
>>>> would
>>>>>>>> do. It's the same thing Narbik would do.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Experience, as you noted, is a good thing to look at! And, this is
>>>>>>>> Marko's second CCIE anyway. But I think he was smart before he got
>>>> his
>>>>>>>> first one! ;)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Charles Carmichael wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I understand what you're saying Anthony. I respect experience,
>>>> that's
>>>> why I
>>>>>>>> mentioned Mr. Morris. But I am confused. Do you mean that
>>>> someone
>>>> that has
>>>>>>>> just passed doesn't know what they are doing? I just want the
>>>> most
>>>> current
>>>>>>>> training that will be relevant to me. I'm sure the intentions
>>>> either
>>>> way
>>>>>>>> are best. Also, can someone tell me when Scott Morris will be
>>>> teaching the
>>>>>>>> next routing and switching bootcamp.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Danke,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Charles
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 4:28 PM, Anthony Sequeira
>>>> <asequeira_at_ine.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Charles!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Feel free to contact me directly if you have any questions
>>>> regarding
>>>> the
>>>>>>>> INE materials or more specifically, the bootcamp.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think that basing this very important decision on which
>>>> organization has
>>>>>>>> instructors that are so new to the Routing and Switching track
>>>> that
>>>> they
>>>>>>>> have passed since October 19th, 2009 is not the correct
>>>> approach.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Warmest Regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626
>>>>>>>> Senior CCIE Instructor http://www.INE.com
>>>>>>>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>>>>>>>> Toll Free: 877-224-8987
>>>>>>>> Outside US: 775-826-4344
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On May 11, 2010, at 8:03 AM, Charles Carmichael wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am planning on a bootcamp in Germany Area. I am looking at
>>>> IPexpert
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> INE. I can travel abroad if needed. My question is, what
>>>> bootcamp
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> should I
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> take? I have heard that IPexpert is the only company that has
>>>> instructor
>>>>>>>> which has passed the new version of CCIE lab but I like Scott
>>>> Morris and
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> think he owns INE or something. Any recommendations?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Many Thanks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Charles
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
>>>>>>>>
>>>>
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