Re: OT: CCDE Study

Thanks Larry,

Hey whens the interview with Roman going to be on your blog?

On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Larry Hadrava <larryh12203_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> CCBootcamp has a written workbook, written class and lab class.
> CCDEbootcamp has has classes for written and lab.
>
> I am going with CCBootcamp since I have utilized their materials and
> training in the past and found it to be very good. Jeremy - the CCBootcamp
> CCDE instructor is a very smart and personable guy.
>
> The CCBootcamp CCDE written study guide seems to be very good as well.
> Thanks
> Larry Hadrava
> CCIE #12203
> Check Out MyBlog: http://ccie12203.wordpress.com/
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Group Study <gs_at_netengineer.org> wrote:
>>
>> Are there any training vendors that offer CCDE courses, videos,
>> bootcamps, or materials right now?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 3:00 AM, Aytac Karameseoglu
>> <akarameseoglu_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>> > that mean a candidate must work for a company which needs a CCDE.
>> > Otherways
>> > he must handle whatever CCDE certification requires :)
>> >
>> > Aytac Karameseoglu
>> > CCIE#18102
>> > www.aytackarameseoglu.com
>> >
>> > On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 8:53 PM, Brad Ellis <brad_at_ccbootcamp.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Depends who's paying for the TP and who's paying for the plane ticket!
>> >> J
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> From: Scott Morris [mailto:smorris_at_ine.com]
>> >> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 10:44 AM
>> >> To: Brad Ellis
>> >> Cc: Luan Nguyen; Larry H; Ronnie Angello; Cisco certification; Dawn
>> >> Tesar
>> >> Subject: Re: OT: CCDE Study
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I dunno.. A class in an "all telepresence" environment sounds kinda
>> >> cool! Sounds more expensive than flying someplace though! ;)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Scott Morris, CCIEx4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,
>> >>
>> >> CCDE #2009::D, JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
>> >>
>> >> JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
>> >>
>> >> evil_at_ine.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>> >>
>> >> http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
>> >>
>> >> Toll Free: 877-224-8987
>> >>
>> >> Outside US: 775-826-4344
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Knowledge is power.
>> >>
>> >> Power corrupts.
>> >>
>> >> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Brad Ellis wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Luan,
>> >>
>> >> The problem with doing a CCDE bootcamp remotely, is the amount of
>> >> student/instructor and student/student interaction that happens.
>> >> There's
>> >> way too much interaction for too long a period of time, too much
>> >> whiteboarding, etc. If it were done in an environment where everyone
>> >> was
>> >> in a telepresence room, it would probably work, otherwise, it would be
>> >> challenging. If you had no other choice but to attend a CCDE class
>> >> remotely, then it's better than no class at all...but I would really
>> >> recommend attending a CCDE class in person to get the most out of it.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> thanks,
>> >> Brad Ellis
>> >> CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
>> >> CCSI# 30482
>> >> CEO / President
>> >> CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Solutions Partner (CLSP)
>> >> Email: brad_at_ccbootcamp.com
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>> >> Skype: skype:ccbootcamp?call
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>> >> OEQ Commercial: http://www.ccbootcamp.com/noeq.mpg
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> >> Luan Nguyen
>> >> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 9:00 AM
>> >> To: 'Larry H'; 'Ronnie Angello'
>> >> Cc: 'Cisco certification'
>> >> Subject: RE: OT: CCDE Study
>> >>
>> >> Regarding time management, some scenarios are harder and have more
>> >> questions
>> >> and might be at the beginning, which is great IMO since you are fresher
>> >> than
>> >> toward the end. You will always have enough time, so just take your
>> >> time
>> >> and
>> >> do it right the first time since you can't go back. Some was seen to
>> >> finish
>> >> in 6 hours!
>> >> In the end, though masquerade by scenarios, it's a multiple choices
>> >> exam...so yeah, it's just all about thought process...and if you happen
>> >> to
>> >> think like those design the exam, more power to you. Else, there will
>> >> always
>> >> be the next one for you to try your luck with the thought process :) I
>> >> heard
>> >> someone said that CCDE is different from CCIE in that you don't really
>> >> have
>> >> to prepare for :)
>> >> So, IMO, CCDE bootcamp could be great for gearing you toward the right
>> >> mindset, especially taught by mister Filliben or anyone else who'd
>> >> already
>> >> passed, but personally, I would use that money for multiple attempts :)
>> >>
>> >> I think CCDE bootcamp would be more attractive if taught VIRTUALLY, so
>> >> people won't have to take time off from work, won't have to pay for
>> >> travel/lodging...etc. More people would take the class which will lead
>> >> to
>> >> lower fee, which will....etc, etc.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --------------------------------
>> >> Luan Nguyen
>> >> Chesapeake NetCraftsmen, LLC.
>> >> -------------------------------
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> >> Larry H
>> >> Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 6:49 PM
>> >> To: Ronnie Angello
>> >> Cc: Cisco certification
>> >> Subject: Re: OT: CCDE Study
>> >>
>> >> Thanks I will check those out.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >> Larry Hadrava
>> >> CCIE #12203
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPad
>> >>
>> >> On Apr 9, 2010, at 4:41 PM, Ronnie Angello <ronnie.angello_at_gmail.com>
>> >> <mailto:ronnie.angello_at_gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> The networkers presentations (routing and MPLS sessions) are
>> >> good when
>> >> you need a break from reading - www.ciscolivevirtual.com.
>> >>
>> >> All of that stuff is good, mainly to stay technically sharp and
>> >> build
>> >> your confidence for the exam. The truth is though, once you sit
>> >> down
>> >> on exam day, you realize that it's really just all about thought
>> >> process and time management.
>> >>
>> >> Ronnie
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Larry Hadrava
>> >> <larryh12203_at_gmail.com> <mailto:larryh12203_at_gmail.com>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Hello Group:
>> >> I am looking for opinions / advice on CCDE study.
>> >> Along with the obligatory book list, what are others
>> >> that are working
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> toward
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> CCDE or have passed CCDE used?
>> >> I have a reservation about classroom training for this
>> >> track, but
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> have
>> >> not
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ruled it out. I think that what can be passed on in a
>> >> classroom
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> setting
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> might be a mindset and way of thinking / reading the
>> >> requirements but
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> the
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> knowledge of the protocols and interaction of the
>> >> possible solutions
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> has
>> >> to
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> be something that comes from actual design /
>> >> implementation
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> experience.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Besides CLN - does anyone know of any other CCDE
>> >> specific groups /
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> lists?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >> Larry Hadrava
>> >> CCIE #12203
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