Re: OT: CCDE Study

It was posted on 12/16/09.

http://ccie12203.wordpress.com/2009/12/16/30/

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Thanks
Larry Hadrava
CCIE #12203
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On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Group Study <gs_at_netengineer.org> wrote:

> Thanks Larry,
>
> Hey whens the interview with Roman going to be on your blog?
>
> On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Larry Hadrava <larryh12203_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > CCBootcamp has a written workbook, written class and lab class.
> > CCDEbootcamp has has classes for written and lab.
> >
> > I am going with CCBootcamp since I have utilized their materials and
> > training in the past and found it to be very good. Jeremy - the
> CCBootcamp
> > CCDE instructor is a very smart and personable guy.
> >
> > The CCBootcamp CCDE written study guide seems to be very good as well.
> > Thanks
> > Larry Hadrava
> > CCIE #12203
> > Check Out MyBlog: http://ccie12203.wordpress.com/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Group Study <gs_at_netengineer.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Are there any training vendors that offer CCDE courses, videos,
> >> bootcamps, or materials right now?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 3:00 AM, Aytac Karameseoglu
> >> <akarameseoglu_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > that mean a candidate must work for a company which needs a CCDE.
> >> > Otherways
> >> > he must handle whatever CCDE certification requires :)
> >> >
> >> > Aytac Karameseoglu
> >> > CCIE#18102
> >> > www.aytackarameseoglu.com
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 8:53 PM, Brad Ellis <brad_at_ccbootcamp.com>
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Depends who's paying for the TP and who's paying for the plane
> ticket!
> >> >> J
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> From: Scott Morris [mailto:smorris_at_ine.com]
> >> >> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 10:44 AM
> >> >> To: Brad Ellis
> >> >> Cc: Luan Nguyen; Larry H; Ronnie Angello; Cisco certification; Dawn
> >> >> Tesar
> >> >> Subject: Re: OT: CCDE Study
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> I dunno.. A class in an "all telepresence" environment sounds kinda
> >> >> cool! Sounds more expensive than flying someplace though! ;)
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Scott Morris, CCIEx4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,
> >> >>
> >> >> CCDE #2009::D, JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
> >> >>
> >> >> JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
> >> >>
> >> >> evil_at_ine.com
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> >> >>
> >> >> http://www.InternetworkExpert.com<http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
> >> >>
> >> >> Toll Free: 877-224-8987
> >> >>
> >> >> Outside US: 775-826-4344
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Knowledge is power.
> >> >>
> >> >> Power corrupts.
> >> >>
> >> >> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Brad Ellis wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Luan,
> >> >>
> >> >> The problem with doing a CCDE bootcamp remotely, is the amount of
> >> >> student/instructor and student/student interaction that happens.
> >> >> There's
> >> >> way too much interaction for too long a period of time, too much
> >> >> whiteboarding, etc. If it were done in an environment where everyone
> >> >> was
> >> >> in a telepresence room, it would probably work, otherwise, it would
> be
> >> >> challenging. If you had no other choice but to attend a CCDE class
> >> >> remotely, then it's better than no class at all...but I would really
> >> >> recommend attending a CCDE class in person to get the most out of it.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> thanks,
> >> >> Brad Ellis
> >> >> CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
> >> >> CCSI# 30482
> >> >> CEO / President
> >> >> CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Solutions Partner (CLSP)
> >> >> Email: brad_at_ccbootcamp.com
> >> >> Toll Free: 877-654-2243
> >> >> International: +1-702-968-5100
> >> >> Skype: skype:ccbootcamp?call
> >> >> FAX: +1-702-446-8012
> >> >> YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
> >> >> Training And Remote Racks: http://www.ccbootcamp.com
> >> >> OEQ Voice Waiver: http://www.ccbootcamp.com/noeqvoice.html
> >> >> OEQ R&S Waiver: http://www.ccbootcamp.com/noeqrs.html
> >> >> OEQ Commercial: http://www.ccbootcamp.com/noeq.mpg
> >> >>
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
> >> >> Luan Nguyen
> >> >> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 9:00 AM
> >> >> To: 'Larry H'; 'Ronnie Angello'
> >> >> Cc: 'Cisco certification'
> >> >> Subject: RE: OT: CCDE Study
> >> >>
> >> >> Regarding time management, some scenarios are harder and have more
> >> >> questions
> >> >> and might be at the beginning, which is great IMO since you are
> fresher
> >> >> than
> >> >> toward the end. You will always have enough time, so just take your
> >> >> time
> >> >> and
> >> >> do it right the first time since you can't go back. Some was seen to
> >> >> finish
> >> >> in 6 hours!
> >> >> In the end, though masquerade by scenarios, it's a multiple choices
> >> >> exam...so yeah, it's just all about thought process...and if you
> happen
> >> >> to
> >> >> think like those design the exam, more power to you. Else, there will
> >> >> always
> >> >> be the next one for you to try your luck with the thought process :)
> I
> >> >> heard
> >> >> someone said that CCDE is different from CCIE in that you don't
> really
> >> >> have
> >> >> to prepare for :)
> >> >> So, IMO, CCDE bootcamp could be great for gearing you toward the
> right
> >> >> mindset, especially taught by mister Filliben or anyone else who'd
> >> >> already
> >> >> passed, but personally, I would use that money for multiple attempts
> :)
> >> >>
> >> >> I think CCDE bootcamp would be more attractive if taught VIRTUALLY,
> so
> >> >> people won't have to take time off from work, won't have to pay for
> >> >> travel/lodging...etc. More people would take the class which will
> lead
> >> >> to
> >> >> lower fee, which will....etc, etc.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --------------------------------
> >> >> Luan Nguyen
> >> >> Chesapeake NetCraftsmen, LLC.
> >> >> -------------------------------
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
> >> >> Larry H
> >> >> Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 6:49 PM
> >> >> To: Ronnie Angello
> >> >> Cc: Cisco certification
> >> >> Subject: Re: OT: CCDE Study
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks I will check those out.
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks
> >> >> Larry Hadrava
> >> >> CCIE #12203
> >> >>
> >> >> Sent from my iPad
> >> >>
> >> >> On Apr 9, 2010, at 4:41 PM, Ronnie Angello <ronnie.angello_at_gmail.com
> >
> >> >> <mailto:ronnie.angello_at_gmail.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> The networkers presentations (routing and MPLS sessions) are
> >> >> good when
> >> >> you need a break from reading - www.ciscolivevirtual.com.
> >> >>
> >> >> All of that stuff is good, mainly to stay technically sharp
> and
> >> >> build
> >> >> your confidence for the exam. The truth is though, once you
> sit
> >> >> down
> >> >> on exam day, you realize that it's really just all about
> thought
> >> >> process and time management.
> >> >>
> >> >> Ronnie
> >> >>
> >> >> On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Larry Hadrava
> >> >> <larryh12203_at_gmail.com> <mailto:larryh12203_at_gmail.com>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Hello Group:
> >> >> I am looking for opinions / advice on CCDE study.
> >> >> Along with the obligatory book list, what are others
> >> >> that are working
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> toward
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> CCDE or have passed CCDE used?
> >> >> I have a reservation about classroom training for this
> >> >> track, but
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> have
> >> >> not
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> ruled it out. I think that what can be passed on in a
> >> >> classroom
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> setting
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> might be a mindset and way of thinking / reading the
> >> >> requirements but
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> the
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> knowledge of the protocols and interaction of the
> >> >> possible solutions
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> has
> >> >> to
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> be something that comes from actual design /
> >> >> implementation
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> experience.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Besides CLN - does anyone know of any other CCDE
> >> >> specific groups /
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> lists?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks
> >> >> Larry Hadrava
> >> >> CCIE #12203
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> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Ronald Angello
> >> >> Network Architect
> >> >> CCIE 17846
> >> >> CCDP, CCIP, CCNP
> >> >>
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