RE: Appeal to All Current CCIEs

Sir,

No arguments. I have thoughts on the socio economic implications something
like this does to equality as well but I won't get into that. Unfortunately
for the time being we will all have to move forward with this being the
reality. Hopefully in the near future Cisco will realize the implications
of what this does.

Regards,
 
Tyson Scott - CCIE #13513 R&S, Security, and SP
Technical Instructor - IPexpert, Inc.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Group Study [mailto:gs_at_netengineer.org]
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 10:20 AM
To: Tyson Scott
Cc: Jonny English; Patrick Galligan; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: Appeal to All Current CCIEs

What I'm concerned about is the fact that this option to waive OEQ by
allowing a 360 Instructor to give that option is that it divides the
people who have the resources to attend a 360 program from others who
do not.

If there's an option to wave a portion of the test, it shouldn't based
on who can afford to attend the class or not, I see it as almost
hurting the people who can't afford to go to one of these classes. If
Cisco is willing to waive a part of the test it should be based on
proven knowledge and skill and not by paying a cost. Guess that's what
most people mean by buying your numbers...

My 2 cents, I got my numbers by taking the OEQ version last march
2009, so I don't have any personal interest right now.

On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 9:08 AM, Tyson Scott <tscott_at_ipexpert.com> wrote:
> Actually OEQ is only 4 points but you still have to pass it.
>
> Trouble is 20-30 points
> Configuration is 70-75 points
>
> You need to put into perspective that although it is a given it is still a
> very small portion of the test.
>
> Regards,
>
> Tyson Scott - CCIE #13513 R&S, Security, and SP
> Technical Instructor - IPexpert, Inc.
> Mailto: tscott_at_ipexpert.com
> Telephone: +1.810.326.1444, ext. 208
> Live Assistance, Please visit: www.ipexpert.com/chat
> eFax: +1.810.454.0130
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Jonny English
> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 5:01 AM
> To: Patrick Galligan
> Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: Appeal to All Current CCIEs
>
> yeah, that was my point. If you get to skip the OEQ you get 21 point
> headstart.
>
> On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 12:35 PM, Patrick Galligan
> <pgalligan_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> The OEQ's make it harder.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 2:44 AM, Jonny English <redkidneybeans_at_gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > giving away 21 points doesn't make the exam harder, it makes it easier.
>> >
>> > On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 3:21 AM, Patrick Galligan <pgalligan_at_gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Why would current CCIE's care? Anything that makes it harder for more
>> >> people to get the CCIE cert, makes us more valuable to employers :)
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 4:27 PM, Nahskur Udniraht
>> >> <expertinternetwork_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > Dear All,
>> >> >
>> >> > According to recent announcement from Cisco ...
>> >> > they let some set of students (C360) to ignore OEQ section in lab
>> exam.
>> >> >
>> >> > I ask/appeal all the current CCIEs to go against this decision.
>> >> >
>> >> > Yes, Cisco owns CCIE, it is their trademark and they are
controlling.
>> >> > But you made it. You made it beautiful.You wake long nights to make
> it
>> >> > happen.
>> >> > You did all the hard work, scarification and dedication to pass the
>> >> > exams.
>> >> > You know how hard was it. You have gone through.
>> >> >
>> >> > You can save the value of CCIE.
>> >> > Because you all earned. You did not buy.
>> >> >
>> >> > Pass the word ... "earned not bought".
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Nahskur Udniraht
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > PS
>> >> > I am not CCIE certified and going attempt my first Lab in coming
> July.
>> >> > I do not know whether my request is fair or it is violating NDA.
>> >> >
>> >> >
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>> >> >
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