RE: CCIE SP Changes

Yeah, because we all know all CCIE lab exams are RFC tests.

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Subject: Re: CCIE SP Changes

Marko, you can not lead if you don't want anyone to follow. Nine-tenths of
education is encouragement - Anatole France
Here is a theory: Inferior men boast about experience, Superior men boast
about victories.

There is no difference between running IOS on a P4 or a MPC7448. RFC's are
CPU
independent.

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From: Marko Milivojevic <markom_at_ipexpert.com>
To: Roger Pfaeffli <rpf23543_at_gmail.com>
Cc: Azar Ali <azarali1980_at_gmail.com>; Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>;
Ashwin Iyer <ash.iyer_at_gmail.com>; Majonestx <majonestx_at_gmail.com>; Cisco
certification <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
Sent: Mon, Dec 7, 2009 3:31 pm
Subject: Re: CCIE SP Changes

I agree with all of the below, but it also comes down to "what doescert X
represent".Do you really want to go to a certified cardio surgeon who has
...
noexperience, but hey, he's got Certified Heart Surgeon (20% or lesschance
of
death)? No, me neither :-)--Marko Milivojevic - CCIE #18427Senior Technical
Instructor - IPexpertMailto: markom_at_ipexpert.comTelephone:
+1.810.326.1444Live
Assistance, Please visit: http://www.ipexpert.com/chateFax:
+1.810.454.0130On
Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 13:25, Roger Pfaeffli <rpf23543_at_gmail.com> wrote:> Hi
Marko, somehow you are right but I think you agree with me, that a Cert is
still a Cert and some of the things are not really relevant to livenetwork.
So
how you want to study for them? Even if you have many years of experience,
if
you have never used Cell Mode MPLS for example it makes it difficult to
study
for it, isn't it? Normally you will not find all the Cert stuff in real
networks.>> To me, a big part of studying means hands on and training,
training, training. I think that only with that way you can see how it works
and figure out issues and weakness. You learn how to troubleshoot and so
on.>>
If you are lucky (as I am), you have CRS's, 7600's, ASR's and all other big
and expensive boxes in your lab, but what if you don't? Do you think someone
with no access to these products should not have the chance to make a SP?>>
There are different point of views and we could discuss a long time. I
definitely agree that the tracks should be very close to the real world but
there should somehow be the possibility to make "real live training".> This
is
very good possible also with the SP track...>> So let's see what's coming in
future for SP :o)>> Regards>> Roger>>>>> -----UrsprC<ngliche Nachricht----->
Von: Marko Milivojevic [mailto:markom_at_ipexpert.com]> Gesendet: Montag, 7.
Dezember 2009 13:39> An: Roger Pfaeffli> Cc: Azar Ali; Narbik Kocharians;
Ashwin Iyer; Majonestx; Cisco certification> Betreff: Re: CCIE SP Changes>>
I
don't understand why everyone brings up "end of home lab" as> something that
is relevant. It's a SERVICE PROVIDER expert cert - none> of us can have that
kind of lab at home. If you CAN have it, there is> something seriously wrong
with the track. As someone who has worked> for almost 15 years in SP arena,
I
should know :-).>> When CCIE came to market and became prestigious, it was
equally> expensive to prepare for it as it would be with "new" SP track.>
Personally, I see nothing seriously wrong with that. Certificate needs> to
be
relevant, difficult and require dedication, study and experience> to obtain.
If certificate doesn't have those attributes, it's as> useful as MCP Windows
98.>> --> Marko Milivojevic - CCIE #18427> Senior Technical Instructor -
IPexpert>> Mailto: markom_at_ipexpert.com> Telephone: +1.810.326.1444> Live
Assistance, Please visit: http://www.ipexpert.com/chat> eFax:
+1.810.454.0130>>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 11:55, Roger Pfaeffli
<rpf23543_at_gmail.com> wrote:>> Well Marko, if you are right that would mean
"the end" of home labs...>> ...at least for most of the students. I mean,
imagine how much it would cost to make a home lab with 7600, ASR1000...>> I
think even if you work with a SP, it could be difficult to get these boxes 1
year just for studying.>>>> I definitely agree, there should be some changes
in the SP lab to bring it up to date, Cell Mode MPLS is (at least in my
opinion) not really something we should learn as the "future technology".
Additionally there is so much L2VPN stuff they should add.>>>>> Apart from
the
fact that I hate the C7600 (evil QoS and other weird stuff depending on the
Linecard), I hope that Cisco will change the blueprint in that way that it
"can be affordable" to make a home-, or company lab.>>>> I would be very
disappointed if they would shutdown this track...I mean, they should rather
shutdown Storage than the SP track...but that's my personal point of
view.>>>>
Let's see what happens :o)>>>> Roger>>>> -----UrsprC<ngliche
Nachricht----->>
Von: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] Im Auftrag von
Marko
Milivojevic>> Gesendet: Montag, 7. Dezember 2009 09:09>> An: Azar Ali>> Cc:
Narbik Kocharians; Ashwin Iyer; Majonestx; Cisco certification>> Betreff:
Re:
CCIE SP Changes>>>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 07:50, Azar Ali
<azarali1980_at_gmail.com> wrote:>>> As Narbik said, its impossible to add
7600/12000 series routers due to cost.>>> So I don't expect too much
change.B
I'm curious to see whatB cisco can do for>>> SP track apart from IOS,core
knowledge,troubleshooting sections. Yeah, can>>> could add a few more 7200's
and probably some ISR's.>>>> I beg to differ. 7600 for Cisco are dirt cheap
and all they would need>> are two per location. Add to that a couple of
ASR1000 boxes, combined>> with 3-4 ME-3400 switches and you got yourself a
pretty decent SP>> setup, unlike the one we have today.>>>> IB4m certain we
are going to see either change comparable to what I>> described, or a
complete
shutdown of the track. All other tracks at the>> moment make sense relevance
and technology-wise. SP is very out of>> date.>>>> -->> Marko Milivojevic -
CCIE #18427>> Senior Technical Instructor - IPexpert>>>> Mailto:
markom_at_ipexpert.com>> Telephone: +1.810.326.1444>> Live Assistance, Please
visit: http://www.ipexpert.com/chat>> eFax: +1.810.454.0130>>>>>> Blogs and
organic groups at http://www.ccie.net>>>>
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