Re: 21 days and no pass ..

Hi Michael!

I am fortunate enough to be teaching the 6-day Bootcamp in Chicago in
December. Wait a minute...Chicago in December? I am unfortunate enough
to be teaching that class.

:-)

While Scott tends to outshine me with his mastery of the technologies,
I tend to be celebrated for my teaching of lab strategy. The great
news is, we will have access to Scott Morris for any technology
questions I cannot answer.

:-)

I hope to see you in Chicago!

On Nov 17, 2009, at 10:45 AM, Michael Jones wrote:

> Speaking of drama, cant wait to see the pub that is drummed up once
> the
> first vendor produces the first 4.0 CCIE.
>
> :)
>
> Scott, is it safe to assume that you teach the bootcamps in chicago ?
>
> I'm in the process now of trying to decide on a location for INE
> BOOTCAMP.
>
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com> wrote:
>
>> It's been too entertaining to watch the drama unfold. And we HAVE
>> posted at various times about it, but it was likely in one of the
>> other
>> myriad of threads with the same essential discussion, lamenting with
>> woes of the world. :)
>>
>> It's the same discussions that I have seen off and on for over 10
>> years
>> now, so it's nothing new.
>>
>> The reason people aren't passing is because they aren't as prepared
>> as
>> they should be for the newer topics. Also the method with which they
>> were studying wasn't taking into account the format changes (in other
>> words likely didn't listen, or take seriously what they were being
>> told). And any time you're under pressure anyway when you encounter
>> something unexpected or not-going-well, then things begin to unravel.
>>
>> And in the CCIE lab, you really don't have time for things to
>> unravel.
>>
>> It's a process. It's about your process. It always has been.
>> Although
>> everyone (no matter whose students they are) seems to focus on the
>> configurations. It's NOT a configuration exam. It's an exam that
>> you
>> happen to perform some configuration in.
>>
>> Once people start to listen (and truly hear) things like that, and
>> adjust their mode of thinking, we'll see people passing. I have no
>> doubt in that. I have four students in class this week who are
>> taking
>> the lab very shortly. So I'm trying real hard to drill in the
>> concept
>> of how to think things through so that we'll get some successful
>> results!
>>
>> The hard part for a lot of people is understanding that failing the
>> CCIE
>> lab is not necessarily an indication of the candidates ineptitude.
>> It
>> merely means there was a process failure someplace and the cards all
>> fell down from there. Analyze, regroup, recover. Or as the Marines
>> would say, Adapt and Overcome.
>>
>> This is not a HARDER exam. This is merely a DIFFERENT exam. See
>> it for
>> what it is and deal with it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider)
>> #4713,
>>
>> JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Tom Solski wrote:
>>> By no means I wanted to be rude. If anything a bit sarcastic. I
>> apologize.
>>>
>>> I am just curious why major contributors to the list (Narbik,
>>> Scott and
>>> others) do not comment the 30 day impasse...
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Marc La Porte [mailto:marc.a.laporte_at_gmail.com]
>>> Sent: 17-Nov-09 07:08
>>> To: Tom Solski
>>> Cc: Shaughn Smith; Tharindu Rukshan Bamunuarachchi; Nadeem Rafi;
>>> Johnny B
>>> CCIE; Cisco certification
>>> Subject: Re: 21 days and no pass ..
>>>
>>> Tom,
>>>
>>> I assume you notice that Shaun passed the Service Provider exam, of
>>> which there is no version 3. Maybe it is a good idea to be nice
>>> before
>>> rude and have your facts clear.
>>>
>>> Thank you
>>> Marc
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 13:01, Tom Solski <tom.solski_at_gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Too bad I was not lucky like you: get the CCIE the easy way (v3)
>>>> and
>> count
>>>> on others to keep the value up :)
>>>> Seriously, no pass in 30 days is just ridiculous.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On
>>>> Behalf Of
>>>> Shaughn Smith
>>>> Sent: 17-Nov-09 02:21
>>>> To: Tharindu Rukshan Bamunuarachchi; Nadeem Rafi
>>>> Cc: Johnny B CCIE; Cisco certification
>>>> Subject: RE: 21 days and no pass ..
>>>>
>>>> People passing is just a matter of time. And to Tharindu no they
>>>> will
>>>> not discontinue the R&S track. That's not even a thought. They
>>>> have just
>>>> made it harder to pass now, which to me is a good thing. Keeps
>>>> the value
>>>> of the cert up. I hope they start making similar changes to the
>>>> other
>>>> tracks.
>>>>
>>>> CCIE # 23962 (SP)
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On
>>>> Behalf Of
>>>> Tharindu Rukshan Bamunuarachchi
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 8:34 AM
>>>> To: Nadeem Rafi
>>>> Cc: Johnny B CCIE; Cisco certification
>>>> Subject: Re: 21 days and no pass ..
>>>>
>>>> no need to worry ... that is the value of ccie.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Nadeem Rafi <nrafia_at_gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Its sad but yes 30 days and no one passed....
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Tharindu Rukshan Bamunuarachchi <
>>>>> btharindu_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> will they discontinue R&S track ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Johnny B CCIE
>>>>>> <jbccie_at_gmail.com>
>>>>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> Is anyone tracking if anyone is even going to take the RS lab?
>>>>>>>
>>>> Maybe
>>>>
>>>>>>> there are seats and no one is home?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 1:00 AM, Alexei Monastyrnyi <
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> alexeim73_at_gmail.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And I am about to remove the one I passed along, the guy from
>>>>>>>>
>>>> China
>>>>
>>>>>>> passed
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> on Voice lab, not on RS.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rick Mur wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No confirmed pass, there are rumors though....
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rick Mur
>>>>>>>>> CCIE2 #21946 (R&S / Service Provider)
>>>>>>>>> Sr. Support Engineer IPexpert, Inc.
>>>>>>>>> URL: http://www.IPexpert.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 9:20 AM, Nadeem Rafi <nrafia_at_gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>> 21 days and no pass......
>>>>>>>>>>
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