Re: 21 days and no pass ..

Oh by all means Anthony, you are one of the best..

I was just trying to see who teaches what bootcamp...Im still on the ropes
as far as when and where..(It will be INE)

My lab is April 19th

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Anthony Sequeira <terry.francona_at_gmail.com
> wrote:

> Hi Michael!
>
> I am fortunate enough to be teaching the 6-day Bootcamp in Chicago in
> December. Wait a minute...Chicago in December? I am unfortunate enough to be
> teaching that class.
>
> :-)
>
> While Scott tends to outshine me with his mastery of the technologies, I
> tend to be celebrated for my teaching of lab strategy. The great news is, we
> will have access to Scott Morris for any technology questions I cannot
> answer.
>
> :-)
>
> I hope to see you in Chicago!
>
>
> On Nov 17, 2009, at 10:45 AM, Michael Jones wrote:
>
> Speaking of drama, cant wait to see the pub that is drummed up once the
>> first vendor produces the first 4.0 CCIE.
>>
>> :)
>>
>> Scott, is it safe to assume that you teach the bootcamps in chicago ?
>>
>> I'm in the process now of trying to decide on a location for INE BOOTCAMP.
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com> wrote:
>>
>> It's been too entertaining to watch the drama unfold. And we HAVE
>>> posted at various times about it, but it was likely in one of the other
>>> myriad of threads with the same essential discussion, lamenting with
>>> woes of the world. :)
>>>
>>> It's the same discussions that I have seen off and on for over 10 years
>>> now, so it's nothing new.
>>>
>>> The reason people aren't passing is because they aren't as prepared as
>>> they should be for the newer topics. Also the method with which they
>>> were studying wasn't taking into account the format changes (in other
>>> words likely didn't listen, or take seriously what they were being
>>> told). And any time you're under pressure anyway when you encounter
>>> something unexpected or not-going-well, then things begin to unravel.
>>>
>>> And in the CCIE lab, you really don't have time for things to unravel.
>>>
>>> It's a process. It's about your process. It always has been. Although
>>> everyone (no matter whose students they are) seems to focus on the
>>> configurations. It's NOT a configuration exam. It's an exam that you
>>> happen to perform some configuration in.
>>>
>>> Once people start to listen (and truly hear) things like that, and
>>> adjust their mode of thinking, we'll see people passing. I have no
>>> doubt in that. I have four students in class this week who are taking
>>> the lab very shortly. So I'm trying real hard to drill in the concept
>>> of how to think things through so that we'll get some successful results!
>>>
>>> The hard part for a lot of people is understanding that failing the CCIE
>>> lab is not necessarily an indication of the candidates ineptitude. It
>>> merely means there was a process failure someplace and the cards all
>>> fell down from there. Analyze, regroup, recover. Or as the Marines
>>> would say, Adapt and Overcome.
>>>
>>> This is not a HARDER exam. This is merely a DIFFERENT exam. See it for
>>> what it is and deal with it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,
>>>
>>> JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
>>>
>>> JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
>>>
>>> evil_at_ine.com
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>> Knowledge is power.
>>>
>>> Power corrupts.
>>>
>>> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tom Solski wrote:
>>>
>>>> By no means I wanted to be rude. If anything a bit sarcastic. I
>>>>
>>> apologize.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am just curious why major contributors to the list (Narbik, Scott and
>>>> others) do not comment the 30 day impasse...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Marc La Porte [mailto:marc.a.laporte_at_gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: 17-Nov-09 07:08
>>>> To: Tom Solski
>>>> Cc: Shaughn Smith; Tharindu Rukshan Bamunuarachchi; Nadeem Rafi; Johnny
>>>> B
>>>> CCIE; Cisco certification
>>>> Subject: Re: 21 days and no pass ..
>>>>
>>>> Tom,
>>>>
>>>> I assume you notice that Shaun passed the Service Provider exam, of
>>>> which there is no version 3. Maybe it is a good idea to be nice before
>>>> rude and have your facts clear.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you
>>>> Marc
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 13:01, Tom Solski <tom.solski_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Too bad I was not lucky like you: get the CCIE the easy way (v3) and
>>>>>
>>>> count
>>>
>>>> on others to keep the value up :)
>>>>> Seriously, no pass in 30 days is just ridiculous.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>>>>> Of
>>>>> Shaughn Smith
>>>>> Sent: 17-Nov-09 02:21
>>>>> To: Tharindu Rukshan Bamunuarachchi; Nadeem Rafi
>>>>> Cc: Johnny B CCIE; Cisco certification
>>>>> Subject: RE: 21 days and no pass ..
>>>>>
>>>>> People passing is just a matter of time. And to Tharindu no they will
>>>>> not discontinue the R&S track. That's not even a thought. They have
>>>>> just
>>>>> made it harder to pass now, which to me is a good thing. Keeps the
>>>>> value
>>>>> of the cert up. I hope they start making similar changes to the other
>>>>> tracks.
>>>>>
>>>>> CCIE # 23962 (SP)
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>>>>> Of
>>>>> Tharindu Rukshan Bamunuarachchi
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 8:34 AM
>>>>> To: Nadeem Rafi
>>>>> Cc: Johnny B CCIE; Cisco certification
>>>>> Subject: Re: 21 days and no pass ..
>>>>>
>>>>> no need to worry ... that is the value of ccie.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Nadeem Rafi <nrafia_at_gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Its sad but yes 30 days and no one passed....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Tharindu Rukshan Bamunuarachchi <
>>>>>> btharindu_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> will they discontinue R&S track ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Johnny B CCIE <jbccie_at_gmail.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Is anyone tracking if anyone is even going to take the RS lab?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maybe
>>>>>
>>>>> there are seats and no one is home?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 1:00 AM, Alexei Monastyrnyi <
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> alexeim73_at_gmail.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And I am about to remove the one I passed along, the guy from
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> China
>>>>>
>>>>> passed
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> on Voice lab, not on RS.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rick Mur wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No confirmed pass, there are rumors though....
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Rick Mur
>>>>>>>>>> CCIE2 #21946 (R&S / Service Provider)
>>>>>>>>>> Sr. Support Engineer IPexpert, Inc.
>>>>>>>>>> URL: http://www.IPexpert.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 9:20 AM, Nadeem Rafi <nrafia_at_gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>> 21 days and no pass......
>>>>>>>>>>>
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