Re: Compelled to write regarding some CCIE candidates and their

haha thats funny considering vodka and rum are all I drink. Just that
beer is the universal drink word, i think.

cheers/salud.

On Nov 7, 2009, at 8:31 PM, Scott Morris wrote:

> Beers aren't really my type. Good vodka works well. And who says
> I'm
> not? ;)
>
> I'm doing a technical review for some wireless content. Yay! It's
> hard
> to bring myself to review anything for the DE when I still have no
> idea
> what the results were for August, although I'm resigning myself to the
> idea that not holding my breath was probably a good one! heheheheh.
>
>
>
> Scott
>
>
> Hank Yeomans wrote:
>> Thank for the 2 cents Scott,
>>
>> I do remember which is why I choose what and how often I write
>> carefully. Shouldn't you be into a few beers already on a Saturday
>> night? Yes I should too, unfortunately brushing up for the DE exam
>> coming up.....so no life as of yet. But someone has to!
>>
>>
>> On Nov 7, 2009, at 8:07 PM, Scott Morris wrote:
>>
>>> Let me start by pointing out that I have no opinion whatsoever on
>>> the
>>> Twitter drama.
>>>
>>> In general, that's a well-written post although I'm not sure the
>>> point
>>> other than supporting your friend. Definitely a noble effort.
>>>
>>> However, one thing that you mention kinda jumps out at me:
>>>
>>> "Maybe you don't realize that in this day the word cheating can
>>> make or
>>> break your career. These days HR departments are watching your
>>> every
>>> move to see if you are really what they want in their company.
>>> That one
>>> word can keep you making bigmacs at Mcd's forever."
>>>
>>> Regardless of what word(s) someone may say about you (yes, some
>>> stick
>>> more than others), has it not dawned on anyone that what is
>>> posted/archived/copied/RSS'd/whatever'd on the Internet is
>>> "forever"???
>>> If an HR department is doing any sort of search about a person and
>>> their
>>> "personality" then it may simply not be about whether some other
>>> random
>>> person called them a cheater or not, but very much so on their own
>>> demeanor and behavior online.
>>>
>>> Now, I know that whole bit about casting the first stone, blah,
>>> blah,
>>> blah... And I've been in my share of "entertaining discussions"
>>> over
>>> time. But ya need to remember that even 8-10 years later, I can
>>> still
>>> find these discussions and get a sense for a personality or maturity
>>> level. So I'm thinking that it's not just a single word like that
>>> would really be the deciding factor of employment without any
>>> sense of
>>> proof.
>>>
>>> Just my two cents,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider)
>>> #4713,
>>>
>>> JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
>>>
>>> JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
>>>
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>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>> Knowledge is power.
>>>
>>> Power corrupts.
>>>
>>> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hank Yeomans wrote:
>>>> Truth be told there aren't many things I feel compelled to write
>>>> about
>>>> on GS. While there is much value there is also and equal and
>>>> sometimes greater amount of useless people and useless question
>>>> instead of taking it upon ones self to do a little background
>>>> work and
>>>> research and then come forward with what I would consider a
>>>> legitimate
>>>> question/need for assistance. It is true that there are many
>>>> things
>>>> out there these days that devalue a CCIE. There are also forces at
>>>> play like with anything else (analogous to a cable hot box that
>>>> gets
>>>> you all the channels that the cable company has to defeat only to
>>>> find
>>>> that someone found another loop hole).Issues like this have gone on
>>>> since the beginning of time and will continue to do so and anyone
>>>> who
>>>> doesn't see it that way may be a little naive.
>>>>
>>>> Having said that there's been some drama that has tricked on to the
>>>> twitter-verse and yes I was a part of that too. I know the basic
>>>> background of Darby Weaver, I've followed his adventures through
>>>> failed attempts prospects of becoming a CCIE proctor and so on. On
>>>> twitter it wasn't just one person (twitter.com/ipv6freely) who
>>>> pointed
>>>> out Darby's short comings we 'all' have. Basically every CCIE that
>>>> currently posts to twitter. There are many of us there for both
>>>> entertainment and serious knowledge sharing.
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to dispel the rumor that one of my great friends, who I
>>>> personally know, Chris Jones aka on twitter IPv6Freely. It is
>>>> unfortunate to that someone such as Darby with all of the clout
>>>> that
>>>> he thinks he has on GS needs to berate someone for their
>>>> intelligence
>>>> and success. I had read one time that Wendell Odom had taken the
>>>> CCIE
>>>> exam and pasted it after I do believe a few weeks of study. By
>>>> today's standards Wendell would be considered a cheater because he
>>>> knew what he was doing, he had industry experience and went in and
>>>> passed his test. Personally knowing Chris and having played a
>>>> role in
>>>> his mentoring, which included pushing him to go for the prize every
>>>> day, along with the training materials he was already working
>>>> through
>>>> I can tell you that Chris is one of those intelligent people who
>>>> doesn't have to bother cheating or event thinking about it.
>>>>
>>>> One of the great people in this space who I admire (Narbik) once
>>>> said
>>>> that the CCIE is so easy its hard. Think about that because
>>>> there is
>>>> truth to it. It took me three attempts to pass my exam and I know
>>>> exactly why It took me three attempts. I didnt fully read the
>>>> question put before me before making my choice on the solution.
>>>> The
>>>> result was correct answers popping in my head after the fact,
>>>> after I
>>>> had take the time to think about it. Some people like Chris don't
>>>> have that problem and pass their exam on the first attempt. It
>>>> isn't
>>>> as if he is the only person in the world who's passed their CCIE on
>>>> the first attempt either.
>>>>
>>>> What bothers many of us (and I am presumptuously speaking for
>>>> people
>>>> here) is that we see some who bloat themselves up with greater
>>>> importance that is needed when they should humble themselves, put
>>>> their nose in it and get the prize. When Darby made it to twitter
>>>> most of 'us' heard on a daily basis the rantings of a person who
>>>> was
>>>> about to take their test, finally the person who tried telling
>>>> others
>>>> how to pass the CCIE was going to try to pass the CCIE himself.
>>>> The
>>>> result was, I lost my wallet and I couldn't take the CCIE exam.
>>>> While
>>>> true, given the past it seems unlikely to many that this happened,
>>>> that what followed was rantings that made everyone confused, did he
>>>> take it and not pass, and then rantings of I'm gonna be a CCIE
>>>> proctor.
>>>>
>>>> Ok, I realize that we all should be worried about only one person,
>>>> Ourselves. I am guilty of this and many others are for not
>>>> following
>>>> that advise. If all sides did that there would be much less
>>>> problems.
>>>> What isn't fair even beyond the supposed stalking is to accuse
>>>> someone
>>>> of cheating. Maybe you don't realize that in this day the word
>>>> cheating can make or break your career. These days HR
>>>> departments are
>>>> watching your every move to see if you are really what they want in
>>>> their company. That one word can keep you making bigmacs at
>>>> Mcd's for
>>>> ever.
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to point out for those who don't know twitter, it is
>>>> exactly
>>>> like stalking, everyone follows everyone else. If you follow
>>>> someone
>>>> the intended operation of twitter puts everything that all of the
>>>> people you follow say in your timeline. That timeline is also
>>>> public
>>>> domain searchable via any search engine. Until you are blocked
>>>> from
>>>> following a person you are essentially stalking said person or
>>>> people. I stalk 1300~ people, and around 1100~ people stalk me
>>>> back
>>>> and see every word I say.
>>>>
>>>> I wish the best for those attempting the CCIE, even though you
>>>> drive
>>>> me insane, you too Darby. Like the rest of us however, you need to
>>>> humble yourself, pass the test and then reap the rewards of such an
>>>> accomplishment.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best regards to all,
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>> Hank Yeomans
>>>> CCIE No. 21174
>>>> Cell: (619) 721-3003
>>>> hank.yeomans_at_me.com
>>>>
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