Re: Compelled to write regarding some CCIE candidates and their

Beers aren't really my type. Good vodka works well. And who says I'm
not? ;)

I'm doing a technical review for some wireless content. Yay! It's hard
to bring myself to review anything for the DE when I still have no idea
what the results were for August, although I'm resigning myself to the
idea that not holding my breath was probably a good one! heheheheh.

Scott

Hank Yeomans wrote:
> Thank for the 2 cents Scott,
>
> I do remember which is why I choose what and how often I write
> carefully. Shouldn't you be into a few beers already on a Saturday
> night? Yes I should too, unfortunately brushing up for the DE exam
> coming up.....so no life as of yet. But someone has to!
>
>
> On Nov 7, 2009, at 8:07 PM, Scott Morris wrote:
>
>> Let me start by pointing out that I have no opinion whatsoever on the
>> Twitter drama.
>>
>> In general, that's a well-written post although I'm not sure the point
>> other than supporting your friend. Definitely a noble effort.
>>
>> However, one thing that you mention kinda jumps out at me:
>>
>> "Maybe you don't realize that in this day the word cheating can make or
>> break your career. These days HR departments are watching your every
>> move to see if you are really what they want in their company. That one
>> word can keep you making bigmacs at Mcd's forever."
>>
>> Regardless of what word(s) someone may say about you (yes, some stick
>> more than others), has it not dawned on anyone that what is
>> posted/archived/copied/RSS'd/whatever'd on the Internet is "forever"???
>> If an HR department is doing any sort of search about a person and their
>> "personality" then it may simply not be about whether some other random
>> person called them a cheater or not, but very much so on their own
>> demeanor and behavior online.
>>
>> Now, I know that whole bit about casting the first stone, blah, blah,
>> blah... And I've been in my share of "entertaining discussions" over
>> time. But ya need to remember that even 8-10 years later, I can still
>> find these discussions and get a sense for a personality or maturity
>> level. So I'm thinking that it's not just a single word like that
>> would really be the deciding factor of employment without any sense of
>> proof.
>>
>> Just my two cents,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,
>>
>> JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
>>
>> JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hank Yeomans wrote:
>>> Truth be told there aren't many things I feel compelled to write about
>>> on GS. While there is much value there is also and equal and
>>> sometimes greater amount of useless people and useless question
>>> instead of taking it upon ones self to do a little background work and
>>> research and then come forward with what I would consider a legitimate
>>> question/need for assistance. It is true that there are many things
>>> out there these days that devalue a CCIE. There are also forces at
>>> play like with anything else (analogous to a cable hot box that gets
>>> you all the channels that the cable company has to defeat only to find
>>> that someone found another loop hole).Issues like this have gone on
>>> since the beginning of time and will continue to do so and anyone who
>>> doesn't see it that way may be a little naive.
>>>
>>> Having said that there's been some drama that has tricked on to the
>>> twitter-verse and yes I was a part of that too. I know the basic
>>> background of Darby Weaver, I've followed his adventures through
>>> failed attempts prospects of becoming a CCIE proctor and so on. On
>>> twitter it wasn't just one person (twitter.com/ipv6freely) who pointed
>>> out Darby's short comings we 'all' have. Basically every CCIE that
>>> currently posts to twitter. There are many of us there for both
>>> entertainment and serious knowledge sharing.
>>>
>>> I'd like to dispel the rumor that one of my great friends, who I
>>> personally know, Chris Jones aka on twitter IPv6Freely. It is
>>> unfortunate to that someone such as Darby with all of the clout that
>>> he thinks he has on GS needs to berate someone for their intelligence
>>> and success. I had read one time that Wendell Odom had taken the CCIE
>>> exam and pasted it after I do believe a few weeks of study. By
>>> today's standards Wendell would be considered a cheater because he
>>> knew what he was doing, he had industry experience and went in and
>>> passed his test. Personally knowing Chris and having played a role in
>>> his mentoring, which included pushing him to go for the prize every
>>> day, along with the training materials he was already working through
>>> I can tell you that Chris is one of those intelligent people who
>>> doesn't have to bother cheating or event thinking about it.
>>>
>>> One of the great people in this space who I admire (Narbik) once said
>>> that the CCIE is so easy its hard. Think about that because there is
>>> truth to it. It took me three attempts to pass my exam and I know
>>> exactly why It took me three attempts. I didnt fully read the
>>> question put before me before making my choice on the solution. The
>>> result was correct answers popping in my head after the fact, after I
>>> had take the time to think about it. Some people like Chris don't
>>> have that problem and pass their exam on the first attempt. It isn't
>>> as if he is the only person in the world who's passed their CCIE on
>>> the first attempt either.
>>>
>>> What bothers many of us (and I am presumptuously speaking for people
>>> here) is that we see some who bloat themselves up with greater
>>> importance that is needed when they should humble themselves, put
>>> their nose in it and get the prize. When Darby made it to twitter
>>> most of 'us' heard on a daily basis the rantings of a person who was
>>> about to take their test, finally the person who tried telling others
>>> how to pass the CCIE was going to try to pass the CCIE himself. The
>>> result was, I lost my wallet and I couldn't take the CCIE exam. While
>>> true, given the past it seems unlikely to many that this happened,
>>> that what followed was rantings that made everyone confused, did he
>>> take it and not pass, and then rantings of I'm gonna be a CCIE proctor.
>>>
>>> Ok, I realize that we all should be worried about only one person,
>>> Ourselves. I am guilty of this and many others are for not following
>>> that advise. If all sides did that there would be much less problems.
>>> What isn't fair even beyond the supposed stalking is to accuse someone
>>> of cheating. Maybe you don't realize that in this day the word
>>> cheating can make or break your career. These days HR departments are
>>> watching your every move to see if you are really what they want in
>>> their company. That one word can keep you making bigmacs at Mcd's for
>>> ever.
>>>
>>> I'd like to point out for those who don't know twitter, it is exactly
>>> like stalking, everyone follows everyone else. If you follow someone
>>> the intended operation of twitter puts everything that all of the
>>> people you follow say in your timeline. That timeline is also public
>>> domain searchable via any search engine. Until you are blocked from
>>> following a person you are essentially stalking said person or
>>> people. I stalk 1300~ people, and around 1100~ people stalk me back
>>> and see every word I say.
>>>
>>> I wish the best for those attempting the CCIE, even though you drive
>>> me insane, you too Darby. Like the rest of us however, you need to
>>> humble yourself, pass the test and then reap the rewards of such an
>>> accomplishment.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards to all,
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Hank Yeomans
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