Re: Compelled to write regarding some CCIE candidates and their

Thank for the 2 cents Scott,

I do remember which is why I choose what and how often I write
carefully. Shouldn't you be into a few beers already on a Saturday
night? Yes I should too, unfortunately brushing up for the DE exam
coming up.....so no life as of yet. But someone has to!

On Nov 7, 2009, at 8:07 PM, Scott Morris wrote:

> Let me start by pointing out that I have no opinion whatsoever on the
> Twitter drama.
>
> In general, that's a well-written post although I'm not sure the point
> other than supporting your friend. Definitely a noble effort.
>
> However, one thing that you mention kinda jumps out at me:
>
> "Maybe you don't realize that in this day the word cheating can make
> or
> break your career. These days HR departments are watching your every
> move to see if you are really what they want in their company. That
> one
> word can keep you making bigmacs at Mcd's forever."
>
> Regardless of what word(s) someone may say about you (yes, some stick
> more than others), has it not dawned on anyone that what is
> posted/archived/copied/RSS'd/whatever'd on the Internet is
> "forever"???
> If an HR department is doing any sort of search about a person and
> their
> "personality" then it may simply not be about whether some other
> random
> person called them a cheater or not, but very much so on their own
> demeanor and behavior online.
>
> Now, I know that whole bit about casting the first stone, blah, blah,
> blah... And I've been in my share of "entertaining discussions" over
> time. But ya need to remember that even 8-10 years later, I can still
> find these discussions and get a sense for a personality or maturity
> level. So I'm thinking that it's not just a single word like that
> would really be the deciding factor of employment without any sense of
> proof.
>
> Just my two cents,
>
>
>
>
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> Hank Yeomans wrote:
>> Truth be told there aren't many things I feel compelled to write
>> about
>> on GS. While there is much value there is also and equal and
>> sometimes greater amount of useless people and useless question
>> instead of taking it upon ones self to do a little background work
>> and
>> research and then come forward with what I would consider a
>> legitimate
>> question/need for assistance. It is true that there are many things
>> out there these days that devalue a CCIE. There are also forces at
>> play like with anything else (analogous to a cable hot box that gets
>> you all the channels that the cable company has to defeat only to
>> find
>> that someone found another loop hole).Issues like this have gone on
>> since the beginning of time and will continue to do so and anyone who
>> doesn't see it that way may be a little naive.
>>
>> Having said that there's been some drama that has tricked on to the
>> twitter-verse and yes I was a part of that too. I know the basic
>> background of Darby Weaver, I've followed his adventures through
>> failed attempts prospects of becoming a CCIE proctor and so on. On
>> twitter it wasn't just one person (twitter.com/ipv6freely) who
>> pointed
>> out Darby's short comings we 'all' have. Basically every CCIE that
>> currently posts to twitter. There are many of us there for both
>> entertainment and serious knowledge sharing.
>>
>> I'd like to dispel the rumor that one of my great friends, who I
>> personally know, Chris Jones aka on twitter IPv6Freely. It is
>> unfortunate to that someone such as Darby with all of the clout that
>> he thinks he has on GS needs to berate someone for their intelligence
>> and success. I had read one time that Wendell Odom had taken the
>> CCIE
>> exam and pasted it after I do believe a few weeks of study. By
>> today's standards Wendell would be considered a cheater because he
>> knew what he was doing, he had industry experience and went in and
>> passed his test. Personally knowing Chris and having played a role
>> in
>> his mentoring, which included pushing him to go for the prize every
>> day, along with the training materials he was already working through
>> I can tell you that Chris is one of those intelligent people who
>> doesn't have to bother cheating or event thinking about it.
>>
>> One of the great people in this space who I admire (Narbik) once said
>> that the CCIE is so easy its hard. Think about that because there is
>> truth to it. It took me three attempts to pass my exam and I know
>> exactly why It took me three attempts. I didnt fully read the
>> question put before me before making my choice on the solution. The
>> result was correct answers popping in my head after the fact, after I
>> had take the time to think about it. Some people like Chris don't
>> have that problem and pass their exam on the first attempt. It isn't
>> as if he is the only person in the world who's passed their CCIE on
>> the first attempt either.
>>
>> What bothers many of us (and I am presumptuously speaking for people
>> here) is that we see some who bloat themselves up with greater
>> importance that is needed when they should humble themselves, put
>> their nose in it and get the prize. When Darby made it to twitter
>> most of 'us' heard on a daily basis the rantings of a person who was
>> about to take their test, finally the person who tried telling others
>> how to pass the CCIE was going to try to pass the CCIE himself. The
>> result was, I lost my wallet and I couldn't take the CCIE exam.
>> While
>> true, given the past it seems unlikely to many that this happened,
>> that what followed was rantings that made everyone confused, did he
>> take it and not pass, and then rantings of I'm gonna be a CCIE
>> proctor.
>>
>> Ok, I realize that we all should be worried about only one person,
>> Ourselves. I am guilty of this and many others are for not following
>> that advise. If all sides did that there would be much less problems.
>> What isn't fair even beyond the supposed stalking is to accuse
>> someone
>> of cheating. Maybe you don't realize that in this day the word
>> cheating can make or break your career. These days HR departments
>> are
>> watching your every move to see if you are really what they want in
>> their company. That one word can keep you making bigmacs at Mcd's
>> for
>> ever.
>>
>> I'd like to point out for those who don't know twitter, it is exactly
>> like stalking, everyone follows everyone else. If you follow someone
>> the intended operation of twitter puts everything that all of the
>> people you follow say in your timeline. That timeline is also public
>> domain searchable via any search engine. Until you are blocked from
>> following a person you are essentially stalking said person or
>> people. I stalk 1300~ people, and around 1100~ people stalk me back
>> and see every word I say.
>>
>> I wish the best for those attempting the CCIE, even though you drive
>> me insane, you too Darby. Like the rest of us however, you need to
>> humble yourself, pass the test and then reap the rewards of such an
>> accomplishment.
>>
>>
>> Best regards to all,
>>
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