Re: Compelled to write regarding some CCIE candidates and their

Let me start by pointing out that I have no opinion whatsoever on the
Twitter drama.

In general, that's a well-written post although I'm not sure the point
other than supporting your friend. Definitely a noble effort.

However, one thing that you mention kinda jumps out at me:

"Maybe you don't realize that in this day the word cheating can make or
break your career. These days HR departments are watching your every
move to see if you are really what they want in their company. That one
word can keep you making bigmacs at Mcd's forever."

Regardless of what word(s) someone may say about you (yes, some stick
more than others), has it not dawned on anyone that what is
posted/archived/copied/RSS'd/whatever'd on the Internet is "forever"???
If an HR department is doing any sort of search about a person and their
"personality" then it may simply not be about whether some other random
person called them a cheater or not, but very much so on their own
demeanor and behavior online.

Now, I know that whole bit about casting the first stone, blah, blah,
blah... And I've been in my share of "entertaining discussions" over
time. But ya need to remember that even 8-10 years later, I can still
find these discussions and get a sense for a personality or maturity
level. So I'm thinking that it's not just a single word like that
would really be the deciding factor of employment without any sense of
proof.

Just my two cents,

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Hank Yeomans wrote:
> Truth be told there aren't many things I feel compelled to write about
> on GS. While there is much value there is also and equal and
> sometimes greater amount of useless people and useless question
> instead of taking it upon ones self to do a little background work and
> research and then come forward with what I would consider a legitimate
> question/need for assistance. It is true that there are many things
> out there these days that devalue a CCIE. There are also forces at
> play like with anything else (analogous to a cable hot box that gets
> you all the channels that the cable company has to defeat only to find
> that someone found another loop hole).Issues like this have gone on
> since the beginning of time and will continue to do so and anyone who
> doesn't see it that way may be a little naive.
>
> Having said that there's been some drama that has tricked on to the
> twitter-verse and yes I was a part of that too. I know the basic
> background of Darby Weaver, I've followed his adventures through
> failed attempts prospects of becoming a CCIE proctor and so on. On
> twitter it wasn't just one person (twitter.com/ipv6freely) who pointed
> out Darby's short comings we 'all' have. Basically every CCIE that
> currently posts to twitter. There are many of us there for both
> entertainment and serious knowledge sharing.
>
> I'd like to dispel the rumor that one of my great friends, who I
> personally know, Chris Jones aka on twitter IPv6Freely. It is
> unfortunate to that someone such as Darby with all of the clout that
> he thinks he has on GS needs to berate someone for their intelligence
> and success. I had read one time that Wendell Odom had taken the CCIE
> exam and pasted it after I do believe a few weeks of study. By
> today's standards Wendell would be considered a cheater because he
> knew what he was doing, he had industry experience and went in and
> passed his test. Personally knowing Chris and having played a role in
> his mentoring, which included pushing him to go for the prize every
> day, along with the training materials he was already working through
> I can tell you that Chris is one of those intelligent people who
> doesn't have to bother cheating or event thinking about it.
>
> One of the great people in this space who I admire (Narbik) once said
> that the CCIE is so easy its hard. Think about that because there is
> truth to it. It took me three attempts to pass my exam and I know
> exactly why It took me three attempts. I didnt fully read the
> question put before me before making my choice on the solution. The
> result was correct answers popping in my head after the fact, after I
> had take the time to think about it. Some people like Chris don't
> have that problem and pass their exam on the first attempt. It isn't
> as if he is the only person in the world who's passed their CCIE on
> the first attempt either.
>
> What bothers many of us (and I am presumptuously speaking for people
> here) is that we see some who bloat themselves up with greater
> importance that is needed when they should humble themselves, put
> their nose in it and get the prize. When Darby made it to twitter
> most of 'us' heard on a daily basis the rantings of a person who was
> about to take their test, finally the person who tried telling others
> how to pass the CCIE was going to try to pass the CCIE himself. The
> result was, I lost my wallet and I couldn't take the CCIE exam. While
> true, given the past it seems unlikely to many that this happened,
> that what followed was rantings that made everyone confused, did he
> take it and not pass, and then rantings of I'm gonna be a CCIE proctor.
>
> Ok, I realize that we all should be worried about only one person,
> Ourselves. I am guilty of this and many others are for not following
> that advise. If all sides did that there would be much less problems.
> What isn't fair even beyond the supposed stalking is to accuse someone
> of cheating. Maybe you don't realize that in this day the word
> cheating can make or break your career. These days HR departments are
> watching your every move to see if you are really what they want in
> their company. That one word can keep you making bigmacs at Mcd's for
> ever.
>
> I'd like to point out for those who don't know twitter, it is exactly
> like stalking, everyone follows everyone else. If you follow someone
> the intended operation of twitter puts everything that all of the
> people you follow say in your timeline. That timeline is also public
> domain searchable via any search engine. Until you are blocked from
> following a person you are essentially stalking said person or
> people. I stalk 1300~ people, and around 1100~ people stalk me back
> and see every word I say.
>
> I wish the best for those attempting the CCIE, even though you drive
> me insane, you too Darby. Like the rest of us however, you need to
> humble yourself, pass the test and then reap the rewards of such an
> accomplishment.
>
>
> Best regards to all,
>
> ---
> Hank Yeomans
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>
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