Re: Compelled to write regarding some CCIE candidates and their

Mr. Yeomans,

How are you my friend, long time.......Ladies/Gents....this guy has
the BEST tequila in the world and i mean the BEST.

On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Hank Yeomans <hank.yeomans_at_me.com> wrote:
> haha thats funny considering vodka and rum are all I drink. Just that beer
> is the universal drink word, i think.
>
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> cheers/salud.
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> On Nov 7, 2009, at 8:31 PM, Scott Morris wrote:
>
>> Beers aren't really my type. Good vodka works well. And who says I'm
>> not? ;)
>>
>> I'm doing a technical review for some wireless content. Yay! It's hard
>> to bring myself to review anything for the DE when I still have no idea
>> what the results were for August, although I'm resigning myself to the
>> idea that not holding my breath was probably a good one! heheheheh.
>>
>>
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>
>> Hank Yeomans wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank for the 2 cents Scott,
>>>
>>> I do remember which is why I choose what and how often I write
>>> carefully. Shouldn't you be into a few beers already on a Saturday
>>> night? Yes I should too, unfortunately brushing up for the DE exam
>>> coming up.....so no life as of yet. But someone has to!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 7, 2009, at 8:07 PM, Scott Morris wrote:
>>>
>>>> Let me start by pointing out that I have no opinion whatsoever on the
>>>> Twitter drama.
>>>>
>>>> In general, that's a well-written post although I'm not sure the point
>>>> other than supporting your friend. Definitely a noble effort.
>>>>
>>>> However, one thing that you mention kinda jumps out at me:
>>>>
>>>> "Maybe you don't realize that in this day the word cheating can make or
>>>> break your career. These days HR departments are watching your every
>>>> move to see if you are really what they want in their company. That one
>>>> word can keep you making bigmacs at Mcd's forever."
>>>>
>>>> Regardless of what word(s) someone may say about you (yes, some stick
>>>> more than others), has it not dawned on anyone that what is
>>>> posted/archived/copied/RSS'd/whatever'd on the Internet is "forever"???
>>>> If an HR department is doing any sort of search about a person and their
>>>> "personality" then it may simply not be about whether some other random
>>>> person called them a cheater or not, but very much so on their own
>>>> demeanor and behavior online.
>>>>
>>>> Now, I know that whole bit about casting the first stone, blah, blah,
>>>> blah... And I've been in my share of "entertaining discussions" over
>>>> time. But ya need to remember that even 8-10 years later, I can still
>>>> find these discussions and get a sense for a personality or maturity
>>>> level. So I'm thinking that it's not just a single word like that
>>>> would really be the deciding factor of employment without any sense of
>>>> proof.
>>>>
>>>> Just my two cents,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,
>>>>
>>>> JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
>>>>
>>>> JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hank Yeomans wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Truth be told there aren't many things I feel compelled to write about
>>>>> on GS. While there is much value there is also and equal and
>>>>> sometimes greater amount of useless people and useless question
>>>>> instead of taking it upon ones self to do a little background work and
>>>>> research and then come forward with what I would consider a legitimate
>>>>> question/need for assistance. It is true that there are many things
>>>>> out there these days that devalue a CCIE. There are also forces at
>>>>> play like with anything else (analogous to a cable hot box that gets
>>>>> you all the channels that the cable company has to defeat only to find
>>>>> that someone found another loop hole).Issues like this have gone on
>>>>> since the beginning of time and will continue to do so and anyone who
>>>>> doesn't see it that way may be a little naive.
>>>>>
>>>>> Having said that there's been some drama that has tricked on to the
>>>>> twitter-verse and yes I was a part of that too. I know the basic
>>>>> background of Darby Weaver, I've followed his adventures through
>>>>> failed attempts prospects of becoming a CCIE proctor and so on. On
>>>>> twitter it wasn't just one person (twitter.com/ipv6freely) who pointed
>>>>> out Darby's short comings we 'all' have. Basically every CCIE that
>>>>> currently posts to twitter. There are many of us there for both
>>>>> entertainment and serious knowledge sharing.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd like to dispel the rumor that one of my great friends, who I
>>>>> personally know, Chris Jones aka on twitter IPv6Freely. It is
>>>>> unfortunate to that someone such as Darby with all of the clout that
>>>>> he thinks he has on GS needs to berate someone for their intelligence
>>>>> and success. I had read one time that Wendell Odom had taken the CCIE
>>>>> exam and pasted it after I do believe a few weeks of study. By
>>>>> today's standards Wendell would be considered a cheater because he
>>>>> knew what he was doing, he had industry experience and went in and
>>>>> passed his test. Personally knowing Chris and having played a role in
>>>>> his mentoring, which included pushing him to go for the prize every
>>>>> day, along with the training materials he was already working through
>>>>> I can tell you that Chris is one of those intelligent people who
>>>>> doesn't have to bother cheating or event thinking about it.
>>>>>
>>>>> One of the great people in this space who I admire (Narbik) once said
>>>>> that the CCIE is so easy its hard. Think about that because there is
>>>>> truth to it. It took me three attempts to pass my exam and I know
>>>>> exactly why It took me three attempts. I didnt fully read the
>>>>> question put before me before making my choice on the solution. The
>>>>> result was correct answers popping in my head after the fact, after I
>>>>> had take the time to think about it. Some people like Chris don't
>>>>> have that problem and pass their exam on the first attempt. It isn't
>>>>> as if he is the only person in the world who's passed their CCIE on
>>>>> the first attempt either.
>>>>>
>>>>> What bothers many of us (and I am presumptuously speaking for people
>>>>> here) is that we see some who bloat themselves up with greater
>>>>> importance that is needed when they should humble themselves, put
>>>>> their nose in it and get the prize. When Darby made it to twitter
>>>>> most of 'us' heard on a daily basis the rantings of a person who was
>>>>> about to take their test, finally the person who tried telling others
>>>>> how to pass the CCIE was going to try to pass the CCIE himself. The
>>>>> result was, I lost my wallet and I couldn't take the CCIE exam. While
>>>>> true, given the past it seems unlikely to many that this happened,
>>>>> that what followed was rantings that made everyone confused, did he
>>>>> take it and not pass, and then rantings of I'm gonna be a CCIE proctor.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ok, I realize that we all should be worried about only one person,
>>>>> Ourselves. I am guilty of this and many others are for not following
>>>>> that advise. If all sides did that there would be much less problems.
>>>>> What isn't fair even beyond the supposed stalking is to accuse someone
>>>>> of cheating. Maybe you don't realize that in this day the word
>>>>> cheating can make or break your career. These days HR departments are
>>>>> watching your every move to see if you are really what they want in
>>>>> their company. That one word can keep you making bigmacs at Mcd's for
>>>>> ever.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd like to point out for those who don't know twitter, it is exactly
>>>>> like stalking, everyone follows everyone else. If you follow someone
>>>>> the intended operation of twitter puts everything that all of the
>>>>> people you follow say in your timeline. That timeline is also public
>>>>> domain searchable via any search engine. Until you are blocked from
>>>>> following a person you are essentially stalking said person or
>>>>> people. I stalk 1300~ people, and around 1100~ people stalk me back
>>>>> and see every word I say.
>>>>>
>>>>> I wish the best for those attempting the CCIE, even though you drive
>>>>> me insane, you too Darby. Like the rest of us however, you need to
>>>>> humble yourself, pass the test and then reap the rewards of such an
>>>>> accomplishment.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards to all,
>>>>>
>>>>> ---
>>>>> Hank Yeomans
>>>>> CCIE No. 21174
>>>>> Cell: (619) 721-3003
>>>>> hank.yeomans_at_me.com
>>>>>
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