Re: Compelled to write regarding some CCIE candidates and their

Rum & Vodka is all he drinks, Beer is universal so definitely its in the
play, and now you are telling us that he brews the finest Tequila. I think
Hank should have, beside his ccie, another cert called CMMP (Certified
Multinational Mobile Pub) !!

 Just Kidding mate.. i think u excel both at Networking & Brewery; I do not
know if they mix well though ;)

On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>wrote:

> Mr. Yeomans,
>
> How are you my friend, long time.......Ladies/Gents....this guy has
> the BEST tequila in the world and i mean the BEST.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Hank Yeomans <hank.yeomans_at_me.com> wrote:
> > haha thats funny considering vodka and rum are all I drink. Just that
> beer
> > is the universal drink word, i think.
> >
> >
> > cheers/salud.
> >
> >
> > On Nov 7, 2009, at 8:31 PM, Scott Morris wrote:
> >
> >> Beers aren't really my type. Good vodka works well. And who says I'm
> >> not? ;)
> >>
> >> I'm doing a technical review for some wireless content. Yay! It's hard
> >> to bring myself to review anything for the DE when I still have no idea
> >> what the results were for August, although I'm resigning myself to the
> >> idea that not holding my breath was probably a good one! heheheheh.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Scott
> >>
> >>
> >> Hank Yeomans wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Thank for the 2 cents Scott,
> >>>
> >>> I do remember which is why I choose what and how often I write
> >>> carefully. Shouldn't you be into a few beers already on a Saturday
> >>> night? Yes I should too, unfortunately brushing up for the DE exam
> >>> coming up.....so no life as of yet. But someone has to!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Nov 7, 2009, at 8:07 PM, Scott Morris wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Let me start by pointing out that I have no opinion whatsoever on the
> >>>> Twitter drama.
> >>>>
> >>>> In general, that's a well-written post although I'm not sure the point
> >>>> other than supporting your friend. Definitely a noble effort.
> >>>>
> >>>> However, one thing that you mention kinda jumps out at me:
> >>>>
> >>>> "Maybe you don't realize that in this day the word cheating can make
> or
> >>>> break your career. These days HR departments are watching your every
> >>>> move to see if you are really what they want in their company. That
> one
> >>>> word can keep you making bigmacs at Mcd's forever."
> >>>>
> >>>> Regardless of what word(s) someone may say about you (yes, some stick
> >>>> more than others), has it not dawned on anyone that what is
> >>>> posted/archived/copied/RSS'd/whatever'd on the Internet is
> "forever"???
> >>>> If an HR department is doing any sort of search about a person and
> their
> >>>> "personality" then it may simply not be about whether some other
> random
> >>>> person called them a cheater or not, but very much so on their own
> >>>> demeanor and behavior online.
> >>>>
> >>>> Now, I know that whole bit about casting the first stone, blah, blah,
> >>>> blah... And I've been in my share of "entertaining discussions" over
> >>>> time. But ya need to remember that even 8-10 years later, I can still
> >>>> find these discussions and get a sense for a personality or maturity
> >>>> level. So I'm thinking that it's not just a single word like that
> >>>> would really be the deciding factor of employment without any sense of
> >>>> proof.
> >>>>
> >>>> Just my two cents,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider)
> #4713,
> >>>>
> >>>> JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
> >>>>
> >>>> JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
> >>>>
> >>>> evil_at_ine.com
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
> >>>>
> >>>> Toll Free: 877-224-8987
> >>>>
> >>>> Outside US: 775-826-4344
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Knowledge is power.
> >>>>
> >>>> Power corrupts.
> >>>>
> >>>> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Hank Yeomans wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Truth be told there aren't many things I feel compelled to write
> about
> >>>>> on GS. While there is much value there is also and equal and
> >>>>> sometimes greater amount of useless people and useless question
> >>>>> instead of taking it upon ones self to do a little background work
> and
> >>>>> research and then come forward with what I would consider a
> legitimate
> >>>>> question/need for assistance. It is true that there are many things
> >>>>> out there these days that devalue a CCIE. There are also forces at
> >>>>> play like with anything else (analogous to a cable hot box that gets
> >>>>> you all the channels that the cable company has to defeat only to
> find
> >>>>> that someone found another loop hole).Issues like this have gone on
> >>>>> since the beginning of time and will continue to do so and anyone who
> >>>>> doesn't see it that way may be a little naive.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Having said that there's been some drama that has tricked on to the
> >>>>> twitter-verse and yes I was a part of that too. I know the basic
> >>>>> background of Darby Weaver, I've followed his adventures through
> >>>>> failed attempts prospects of becoming a CCIE proctor and so on. On
> >>>>> twitter it wasn't just one person (twitter.com/ipv6freely) who
> pointed
> >>>>> out Darby's short comings we 'all' have. Basically every CCIE that
> >>>>> currently posts to twitter. There are many of us there for both
> >>>>> entertainment and serious knowledge sharing.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'd like to dispel the rumor that one of my great friends, who I
> >>>>> personally know, Chris Jones aka on twitter IPv6Freely. It is
> >>>>> unfortunate to that someone such as Darby with all of the clout that
> >>>>> he thinks he has on GS needs to berate someone for their intelligence
> >>>>> and success. I had read one time that Wendell Odom had taken the
> CCIE
> >>>>> exam and pasted it after I do believe a few weeks of study. By
> >>>>> today's standards Wendell would be considered a cheater because he
> >>>>> knew what he was doing, he had industry experience and went in and
> >>>>> passed his test. Personally knowing Chris and having played a role
> in
> >>>>> his mentoring, which included pushing him to go for the prize every
> >>>>> day, along with the training materials he was already working through
> >>>>> I can tell you that Chris is one of those intelligent people who
> >>>>> doesn't have to bother cheating or event thinking about it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> One of the great people in this space who I admire (Narbik) once said
> >>>>> that the CCIE is so easy its hard. Think about that because there is
> >>>>> truth to it. It took me three attempts to pass my exam and I know
> >>>>> exactly why It took me three attempts. I didnt fully read the
> >>>>> question put before me before making my choice on the solution. The
> >>>>> result was correct answers popping in my head after the fact, after I
> >>>>> had take the time to think about it. Some people like Chris don't
> >>>>> have that problem and pass their exam on the first attempt. It isn't
> >>>>> as if he is the only person in the world who's passed their CCIE on
> >>>>> the first attempt either.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What bothers many of us (and I am presumptuously speaking for people
> >>>>> here) is that we see some who bloat themselves up with greater
> >>>>> importance that is needed when they should humble themselves, put
> >>>>> their nose in it and get the prize. When Darby made it to twitter
> >>>>> most of 'us' heard on a daily basis the rantings of a person who was
> >>>>> about to take their test, finally the person who tried telling others
> >>>>> how to pass the CCIE was going to try to pass the CCIE himself. The
> >>>>> result was, I lost my wallet and I couldn't take the CCIE exam.
> While
> >>>>> true, given the past it seems unlikely to many that this happened,
> >>>>> that what followed was rantings that made everyone confused, did he
> >>>>> take it and not pass, and then rantings of I'm gonna be a CCIE
> proctor.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ok, I realize that we all should be worried about only one person,
> >>>>> Ourselves. I am guilty of this and many others are for not following
> >>>>> that advise. If all sides did that there would be much less problems.
> >>>>> What isn't fair even beyond the supposed stalking is to accuse
> someone
> >>>>> of cheating. Maybe you don't realize that in this day the word
> >>>>> cheating can make or break your career. These days HR departments
> are
> >>>>> watching your every move to see if you are really what they want in
> >>>>> their company. That one word can keep you making bigmacs at Mcd's
> for
> >>>>> ever.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'd like to point out for those who don't know twitter, it is exactly
> >>>>> like stalking, everyone follows everyone else. If you follow someone
> >>>>> the intended operation of twitter puts everything that all of the
> >>>>> people you follow say in your timeline. That timeline is also public
> >>>>> domain searchable via any search engine. Until you are blocked from
> >>>>> following a person you are essentially stalking said person or
> >>>>> people. I stalk 1300~ people, and around 1100~ people stalk me back
> >>>>> and see every word I say.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I wish the best for those attempting the CCIE, even though you drive
> >>>>> me insane, you too Darby. Like the rest of us however, you need to
> >>>>> humble yourself, pass the test and then reap the rewards of such an
> >>>>> accomplishment.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Best regards to all,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ---
> >>>>> Hank Yeomans
> >>>>> CCIE No. 21174
> >>>>> Cell: (619) 721-3003
> >>>>> hank.yeomans_at_me.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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> >>> ---
> >>> Hank Yeomans
> >>> CCIE No. 21174
> >>> Cell: (619) 889-5067
> >>> hank.yeomans_at_mac.com
> >>>
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> >
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