Re: CCIE R and S ver 4

Agreed... if vendors can not pass then who their products can do the
"Magic".

On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 8:55 PM, Johnny B CCIE <jbccie_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> Nadeem,
>
> You have a point. Each vendor should send their best man to the lab to
> prove that their product is adequate to help people study for and pass
> the new exam. If this no-pass continues they will either have to do
> this or start their going out of business sale.
>
> On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Nadeem Rafi <nrafia_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> > if some one gota balls he should re-appear instead of making huge claims
> :)
> >
> > Who is going to attempt V4, having already numbers...
> > Some one show courage :)
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 8:42 PM, Joe Astorino <jastorino_at_ipexpert.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Guys if you think it is impossible and quit they have successfully
> weeded
> >> you out. Many have said they failed but it was passable if you know the
> bp.
> >> My 2 cents
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Joe Astorino - CCIE #24347 R&S
> >> Technical Instructor - IPexpert, Inc.
> >> Cell: +1.586.212.6107
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> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: jose manzano <josermanzano_at_gmail.com>
> >> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 12:32:17
> >> To: groupstudy<ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> >> Subject: Re: CCIE R and S ver 4
> >>
> >> There would be a study factor if it would be possible to pass the exam ,
> >> but
> >> I have yet to read of anyone passing the new v4 lab.
> >>
> >> Cisco will modify the v4 lab if in the end they have put together a
> lab
> >> exam with unrealistic & unachievable expectations.
> >>
> >> I for one though do not like the route it's going as it's starting to
> >> feel like all this time i've invested, and continue to invest preparing
> for
> >> this one exam is in vane as it's nearly impossible to achieve now.
> >>
> >> Then again we are only a few weeks into the new exam, so lets see how
> it
> >> plays out in the next few months i guess.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Atlanta CCIE <atlantaccie_at_gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Cheaters don't care about that lol
> >> >
> >> > On 11/2/09, Jonny English <redkidneybeans_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > what about study factor?
> >> > >
> >> > > On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Nadeem Rafi <nrafia_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >> luck factor or F**K factor is prime issue of V4.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 1:00 AM, Jack <ccie.unnumbered_at_gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> > In consulting business, we keep asking the client what they want
> >> until
> >> > >> the
> >> > >> > case is clear before we give advice.
> >> > >> > Some people mentioned that some troubleshooting tickets are
> vague.
> >> I
> >> > >> doubt
> >> > >> > Howard at RTP is that helpful in explaining the tickets, based on
> my
> >> > two
> >> > >> > experience in V3. Last time when I was there, Howard left early.
> >> His
> >> > >> > replacement/substitute was younger and much more polite, humble,
> >> > modest,
> >> > >> and
> >> > >> > most of all, helpful. Thanks to the young gentleman, I was able
> to
> >> > >> > clear
> >> > >> > one sentence in a configuration question, and one requirement
> which
> >> > was
> >> > >> not
> >> > >> > said in the entire question set. Maybe it was mentioned in the
> >> > preface,
> >> > >> but
> >> > >> > I was too sick that day to search any statements outside the
> >> > questions.
> >> > >> > Howard could have answered, "this is basic knowledge (common
> >> sense)"
> >> > or
> >> > >> > "follow what the requirement says".
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Some mentioned that some troubleshooting tickets are not specific
> >> and
> >> > >> need
> >> > >> > time and luck to pin down. Time and luck are the focus of V4, in
> my
> >> > >> humble
> >> > >> > opinion based on the feedbacks.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Jack
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Terry Vinson wrote:
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >> The old exam was centered around configuration, the new test is
> >> > >> >> centered
> >> > >> >> more around consulting.
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >
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