Re: OT - V4, week 1, no new CCIEs?

This may be a pointless, esoteric question... but is it really possible
to copyright something that you have plagiarized/stolen anyway?

Johnny B CCIE wrote:
> Someone pointed out to me that this can be a real problem. It is now a
> fact that the Koreans won't sell their copyrighted braindumps of the
> ccie lab to anyone who is chinese or comes from an proxy anymore.
>
> Cisco is not the only one having trouble keeping the lab a secret.
>
> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Muhammad Nasim
> <muhammad.nasim_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Atalanta,
>>
>> Why don't we see any one passing the lab from 1st or the 2nd world
>> countries.
>>
>> So it seems to me that EVEN first and 2nd world countries CCIE are all
>> dependent on the hardwork of Third World Countries (Cheating or something)
>>
>> Most importantly Cisco is located in First world country so I should say
>> that these are people who are leaking the labs of in other words ;
>>
>> First World People + Third World People = LAB OUT
>>
>> So dear Atalanta next time please bear in mind what are you saying about any
>> part of the world
>>
>> I can make a bid that once the lab start getting out in the internet then we
>> will see a lot of people passing from US and other countries, Do I have a
>> right to make a comment that ALL US CCIE Candidates are cheaters and they
>> were just waiting for the LAB TO BE OUT
>>
>> Hope above will give you good lesson of thought
>>
>> No hard feelings
>>
>> Take care
>>
>>
>> 2009/10/30 Atlanta CCIE <atlantaccie_at_gmail.com>
>>
>>
>>> Take out the luck factor aka OEQs and we have 6 hours for config part.
>>> I just HOPE they keep changing the stuff otherwise we will be in the
>>> same situation.
>>>
>>> Also - let's remove the thing about recert with written. Every three
>>> years you MUST pass ANY ccie track's lab to recert. Now THAT will be
>>> something :)
>>>
>>> On 10/30/09, Charles.Henson_at_regions.com <Charles.Henson_at_regions.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yeah I saw that. I was thinking about going back at the end of the year
>>>>
>>> but
>>>
>>>> I think I might need to re-focus on a few things. ALL-FROM-NJs thread
>>>> definitely was a good write-up and has me thinking....
>>>>
>>>> Charles Henson
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Radioactive Frog <pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> To: Atlanta CCIE <atlantaccie_at_gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cc: omar parihuana <omar.parihuana_at_gmail.com>, Roy Waterman
>>>> <roy.waterman_at_gmail.com>, Brad Ellis
>>>> <brad_at_ccbootcamp.com>, Smooth IE <
>>>>
>>> smoothccie_at_googlemail.com>,
>>>
>>>> Cisco certification
>>>> <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Date: 10/30/2009 07:05 AM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: OT - V4, week 1, no new CCIEs?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> looks like when lab changes it has a good effect :)
>>>>
>>>> 32 days and only 6 voice ccie ?
>>>>
>>>> *CCIE Count Change by Country*
>>>> [image: CCIE Count Change by
>>>> Country]<
>>>>
>>>>
>>> http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/le3/ccie/certified_ccies/worldwide.html>
>>>
>>>> Source: Dual CCIE #18532 George Morton <http://www.madisonsolutions.net/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Growth of the China CCIE count goes negative by -9
>>>> http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/46893
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 10:38 AM, Atlanta CCIE
>>>> <atlantaccie_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I hear you. My point was that you only had to CONFIGURE 59 points worth
>>>>>
>>>> of
>>>>
>>>>> tasks to pass ASSUMING you got 21 on the OEQs. Before folks had to
>>>>> CONFIGURE
>>>>> 80 points worth of tasks :) Thats all.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 7:01 PM, omar parihuana <
>>>>>
>>> omar.parihuana_at_gmail.com
>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> hahaha... sorry guy but many people din't pass between Feb and Oct...
>>>>>>
>>>>> and
>>>>>
>>>>>> after OEQ introduction IMHO the lab exam wasn't ever a fair game...
>>>>>>
>>> if
>>>
>>>>> you
>>>>>
>>>>>> got 100% in lab sectio and fail at least 2/4 in OEQ you failed.. so
>>>>>>
>>> why
>>>
>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>> "easiest of rides"?... if you weren't able to answer 3/4 OEQ game
>>>>>> over!! have you asked somebody who took the exam before Feb and
>>>>>> retook between Feb-Oct if the lab exam was more difficult before Feb,
>>>>>>
>>>> and
>>>>
>>>>>> easy after Feb?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> RGds.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Atlanta CCIE <atlantaccie_at_gmail.com
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So it appears that anyone who passed during Feb 2009 - Oct 18th 2009
>>>>>>>
>>>> had
>>>>
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> easiest of rides............. 21 Points and get 59 points on the lab
>>>>>>>
>>>> and
>>>>
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> are set. I have heard stories where folks were done by 12pm :D
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Roy Waterman <
>>>>>>>
>>> roy.waterman_at_gmail.com
>>>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Brad
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Based on this fact, if the situation were to continue with some
>>>>>>>>
>>> more
>>>
>>>>>>> weeks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> passing with noone or a couple of ppl passing, would Cisco be
>>>>>>>>
>>>> looking
>>>>
>>>>> to
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> make appropriate changes so that people who do know their stuff are
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> able
>>>>>
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> have a decent chance of passing?
>>>>>>>> From reports, it does appear to me that running out of time is a
>>>>>>>>
>>>> much
>>>>
>>>>>>>> bigger
>>>>>>>> problem than it was in v3.
>>>>>>>> It appears that:
>>>>>>>> - there isnt time to go back over your work to verify
>>>>>>>> - there isnt time to diagram or read the lab
>>>>>>>> - there isnt time to go back over questions you may have got stuck
>>>>>>>>
>>>> on
>>>>
>>>>>>>> earlier
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just curious as to whether you know if Cisco are happy with things
>>>>>>>>
>>>> as
>>>>
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> are, and intend to keep them that way, & also whether they intend
>>>>>>>>
>>> to
>>>
>>>>> act
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> upon what certain ppl who took the beta lab had to say (one of
>>>>>>>>
>>> which
>>>
>>>>> was
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> time ;))
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2009/10/27 Brad Ellis <brad_at_ccbootcamp.com>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's confirmed: as of yesterday, no one has passed the new CCIE
>>>>>>>>>
>>>> R&S
>>>>
>>>>>>> lab
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> exam. Some people have passed certain parts, but no one has
>>>>>>>>>
>>> passed
>>>
>>>>> all
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> three parts - at least yet!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> thanks,
>>>>>>>>> Brad Ellis
>>>>>>>>> CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
>>>>>>>>> CCSI# 30482
>>>>>>>>> CEO / President
>>>>>>>>> CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Solutions Partner (CLSP)
>>>>>>>>> Email: brad_at_ccbootcamp.com
>>>>>>>>> Toll Free: 877-654-2243
>>>>>>>>> International: +1-702-968-5100
>>>>>>>>> Skype: skype:ccbootcamp?call
>>>>>>>>> FAX: +1-702-446-8012
>>>>>>>>> YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
>>>>>>>>> Training And Remote Racks: http://www.ccbootcamp.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Smooth IE
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 2:19 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: Cisco certification
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: OT - V4, week 1, no new CCIEs?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> my friend claims to have passed last week. not sure of any more
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> details
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> other than taht yet.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2009/10/26 Brad Ellis <brad_at_ccbootcamp.com>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Im at building C in SJ right now. Based on the # of people
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> waiting
>>>>
>>>>>>> (or
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> lack there of) for the proctor this morning, I'd venture to say
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> there's
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> a LOT of capacity for the R&S exam right now. I usually see 10+
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> waiting in the Building C lobby at 8.10am. Today, there were
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> only
>>>>
>>>>>>> four
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> total!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> thanks,
>>>>>>>>>> Brad Ellis
>>>>>>>>>> CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
>>>>>>>>>> CCSI# 30482
>>>>>>>>>> CEO / President
>>>>>>>>>> CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Solutions Partner (CLSP)
>>>>>>>>>> Email: brad_at_ccbootcamp.com
>>>>>>>>>> Toll Free: 877-654-2243
>>>>>>>>>> International: +1-702-968-5100
>>>>>>>>>> Skype: skype:ccbootcamp?call
>>>>>>>>>> FAX: +1-702-446-8012
>>>>>>>>>> YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
>>>>>>>>>> Training And Remote Racks: http://www.ccbootcamp.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Of
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jonny English
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 11:05 AM
>>>>>>>>>> To: Rick Mur
>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Vibeesh S; Atlanta CCIE; Hammer; Cisco certification
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: OT - V4, week 1, no new CCIEs?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> last week someone said testing centers were full.....
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 2:17 AM, Rick Mur <rmur_at_ipexpert.com>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I also think that the test centers were really empty the last
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> week.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> people are quite scared of the new lab format and wait on the
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> responses :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Rick Mur
>>>>>>>>>>> CCIE2 #21946 (R&S / Service Provider)
>>>>>>>>>>> Sr. Support Engineer IPexpert, Inc.
>>>>>>>>>>> URL: http://www.IPexpert.com <http://www.ipexpert.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 2:10 PM, Vibeesh S
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> <vibselva_at_gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think many would have taken the lab in the first
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> week
>>>
>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> change.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Atlanta CCIE
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <atlantaccie_at_gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sucks for the people of the 3rd world countries. Oh wait
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> until
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> start leaking out of china and india and may be dubai :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/26/09, Jonny English <redkidneybeans_at_gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not everyone posts on GS. So who knows, someone might
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> have
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> passed.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Hammer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> <bhmccie_at_gmail.com
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, It's been a week. Did ANYONE pass the lab or hear
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> of
>>>
>>>>>>>>> anyone
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> passing
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first week? NO, I did not expect it. I was just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> curious.
>>>
>>>>>>> We've
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> certainly
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seen the comments from those that visited the labs this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> week.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nothing
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their comments made me feel good but we all know that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> Cisco
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> needs
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to burn in the new setup.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Back to BGP.....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Hammer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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