Re: OT - V4, week 1, no new CCIEs?

Scott is also the CCIE's CCIE and so this is no surprise. None are as
vocal as Scott. Scott is probably the most visual and the most
well-known since he is gosh darn helpful. Scott is not afraid of a
challenge, pass or fail. Scott is Scott and he is Evil...

On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 8:56 PM, Atlanta CCIE <atlantaccie_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> Funny how only scott is up for the challenge....
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> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 8:54 PM, Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com> wrote:
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>> Well... Now back when >I< started this... The recertification was
>> either a specific RECERT exam (which made most written exams look like
>> something for CCNA) or pass another track's written AND lab.
>>
>> So I'm certainly not against making things tough there. That's back to
>> the way it began as far as I'm concerned. ;) But the catch is finding
>> the correct people to develop the exams.
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>> Judging by the amount and types of complaints on OEQ questions, or new
>> v4 R&S written, or the lab itself this may be a lot harder than it sounds.
>>
>> I think it's absolutely awesome where they are trying to go, but the
>> question becomes how are they getting there and is the effect intended
>> or not.
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>> Ahhh... the good ol' days. ;)
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>> *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,
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>> JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
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>> JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
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>> Marko Milivojevic wrote:
>> >> Also - let's remove the thing about recert with written. Every three
>> >> years you MUST pass ANY ccie track's lab to recert. Now THAT will be
>> >> something :)
>> >>
>> >
>> > I actually suspect that's in the making. With the troubleshooting part
>> > going virtual, I wouldn't at all be surprised to see some sort of a
>> > mini-lab as recert requirement in the future.
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>> > Then again, written as it is now has merit from theoretical
>> > perspective. In order to pass it, you need to know many technologies
>> > from less hands-on perspective. In order to be "good expert", one
>> > should have command of both. I believe this was Cisco's thinking with
>> > OEQ's. Let me try to pain one picture for you.
>> >
>> > Say you are a contractor that has been called out to nervous client
>> > that needs you to fix 12 problems in their network and need to make
>> > some 15 changes in it - by the end of the day. At the start of the
>> > day, their technical team have few questions to clear their minds.
>> > They ask them. In order to leave good impression and continue to be
>> > perceived as an expert in their eyes, you need to get them straight.
>> >
>> > Raise hands you who have been in this, or very similar, situation. I
>> > have. This is precisely what CCIE lab is now trying to emulate. I
>> > think it's good, we just need to work harder to achieve that level of
>> > expertise. We will be better experts while Cisco keeps raising the
>> > bar.
>> >
>> > ( I will not comment on GUI, as I have not seen it yet )
>> >
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