RE: R&S v4 points

Let's take religion out of it. The OEQs are a grab bag of technology and as others have pointed out, not even related to your track sometimes. It's nice to say that it made the exam easier, but I would have paid another $1400 to take the exam before they put in. As Wouter mentioned, the mental strain / pressure of those 4 questions was tremendous for me. The configuration part as I've said before was easy. If I asked you a 10,000 foot question on security for the R&S, do you think you could answer it at 7:15AM?

-ryan

-----Original Message-----
From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Jonny English
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 9:08 AM
To: ron.wilkerson_at_gmail.com
Cc: Nadeem Rafi; Cisco League; Atlanta CCIE; Cisco certification
Subject: Re: R&S v4 points

thats why its good to pray before you sit the lab ;)

On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 2:04 AM, <ron.wilkerson_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> Understand what you're saying but there is a luck factor. One can't know
> all topics 100%. Thus you have to be lucky in the fact that the questions
> line up with your strong points.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jonny English <redkidneybeans_at_gmail.com>
> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 02:00:34
> To: Nadeem Rafi<nrafia_at_gmail.com>
> Cc: Cisco League<ciscoleague_at_googlemail.com>; Atlanta CCIE<
> atlantaccie_at_gmail.com>; Cisco certification<ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> Subject: Re: R&S v4 points
>
> no such thing as luck if u study
>
> On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 1:07 AM, Nadeem Rafi <nrafia_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Before ccie lab was a technical thing, to add some fun, cisco put some
> luck
> > factor in lab. Now to pass cisco lab you need luck as well as tech.
> > knowledge.
> >
> > Have fun...
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Cisco League <
> ciscoleague_at_googlemail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > Look at it this way:-
> > >
> > > You read a 1000 page book (hypothetical) and someone asks you 100
> > questions
> > > and you need only 80 to pass. You error margin is huge i.e. u can get
> 20
> > > questions wrong or not don't answer 20 questions that u either don t
> know
> > > or
> > > r not sure of.
> > >
> > > Now if u r given enormous amount of literature and anything and
> > everything
> > > is a fair game and then u r asked only 4 questions out of which u need
> 3
> > > correct else u fail. The dynamics change. U now have error margin of
> > > getting
> > > 1 wrong and the rest three that u answer should be correct not by your
> > > interpretation but by what CISCO expects as an answer or is convincing
> to
> > > the proctor.
> > >
> > > If you know your stuff well and it's ur lucky day u will sail through
> the
> > > OEQs else u fail the 8hr exam in first 20 minutes.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > You win points if u know ur stuff well and possibly answer all 4
> > correctly
> > > leaving margin of one question to interpretation and come close to
> > passing.
> > > U still need you configuration portion correct.
> > >
> > > You answer more than one wrong and u fail entire lab even if u score
> 100%
> > > in
> > > configuration portion.
> > >
> > > In my opinion it is how you look at it. On the exam day u need so many
> > > things to go right in your favour to come out with a Pass. It's easier
> to
> > > fail.
> > >
> > > If someone wants to correct my thought process please do so.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 3:12 AM, Atlanta CCIE <atlantaccie_at_gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Awesome! Now get rid of oeqs since that made passing too easy imho.
> > > > Free 21 points in 15 min? Can't beat that :)
> > > >
> > > > On 10/29/09, Brad Ellis <brad_at_ccbootcamp.com> wrote:
> > > > > You need approximately 75-80% to pass the troubleshooting section.
> > You
> > > > > need 80% to pass the configuration section.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > thanks,
> > > > > Brad Ellis
> > > > > CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
> > > > > CCSI# 30482
> > > > > CEO / President
> > > > > CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Solutions Partner (CLSP)
> > > > > Email: brad_at_ccbootcamp.com
> > > > > Toll Free: 877-654-2243
> > > > > International: +1-702-968-5100
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> > > > > FAX: +1-702-446-8012
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> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On
> Behalf
> > > Of
> > > > > Jack
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 5:21 PM
> > > > > To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> > > > > Subject: R&S v4 points
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. OEQ: 3/4 to pass
> > > > >
> > > > > 2. Troubleshouting: 10 - 12 tickets, how many points/tickets to
> pass?
> > > > >
> > > > > 3. Configuration: Some one posted that taking EGP for example,
> > instead
> > > > > of separating into THREE questions like in previous version, the
> new
> > > > > version put all tasks into ONE big question. CCIE lab exam does
> not
> > > > > grant partial credit. If there were 13 tasks all together and some
> > one
> > > > > was able to accomplish 12 tasks out of it. Does it mean that the
> new
> > > > > version will give 0% while the old version will give 66% in this
> > > > > section?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Jack
> > > > >
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