Re: R&S v4 points

you are right ccie got nothing to do with religion or luck. its got to do
with IOS and reading

On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 2:16 AM, Ryan West <rwest_at_zyedge.com> wrote:

> Let's take religion out of it. The OEQs are a grab bag of technology and
> as others have pointed out, not even related to your track sometimes. It's
> nice to say that it made the exam easier, but I would have paid another
> $1400 to take the exam before they put in. As Wouter mentioned, the mental
> strain / pressure of those 4 questions was tremendous for me. The
> configuration part as I've said before was easy. If I asked you a 10,000
> foot question on security for the R&S, do you think you could answer it at
> 7:15AM?
>
> -ryan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Jonny English
> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 9:08 AM
> To: ron.wilkerson_at_gmail.com
> Cc: Nadeem Rafi; Cisco League; Atlanta CCIE; Cisco certification
> Subject: Re: R&S v4 points
>
> thats why its good to pray before you sit the lab ;)
>
> On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 2:04 AM, <ron.wilkerson_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Understand what you're saying but there is a luck factor. One can't know
> > all topics 100%. Thus you have to be lucky in the fact that the
> questions
> > line up with your strong points.
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jonny English <redkidneybeans_at_gmail.com>
> > Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 02:00:34
> > To: Nadeem Rafi<nrafia_at_gmail.com>
> > Cc: Cisco League<ciscoleague_at_googlemail.com>; Atlanta CCIE<
> > atlantaccie_at_gmail.com>; Cisco certification<ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> > Subject: Re: R&S v4 points
> >
> > no such thing as luck if u study
> >
> > On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 1:07 AM, Nadeem Rafi <nrafia_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Before ccie lab was a technical thing, to add some fun, cisco put some
> > luck
> > > factor in lab. Now to pass cisco lab you need luck as well as tech.
> > > knowledge.
> > >
> > > Have fun...
> > >
> > > On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Cisco League <
> > ciscoleague_at_googlemail.com
> > > >wrote:
> > >
> > > > Look at it this way:-
> > > >
> > > > You read a 1000 page book (hypothetical) and someone asks you 100
> > > questions
> > > > and you need only 80 to pass. You error margin is huge i.e. u can get
> > 20
> > > > questions wrong or not don't answer 20 questions that u either don t
> > know
> > > > or
> > > > r not sure of.
> > > >
> > > > Now if u r given enormous amount of literature and anything and
> > > everything
> > > > is a fair game and then u r asked only 4 questions out of which u
> need
> > 3
> > > > correct else u fail. The dynamics change. U now have error margin of
> > > > getting
> > > > 1 wrong and the rest three that u answer should be correct not by
> your
> > > > interpretation but by what CISCO expects as an answer or is
> convincing
> > to
> > > > the proctor.
> > > >
> > > > If you know your stuff well and it's ur lucky day u will sail through
> > the
> > > > OEQs else u fail the 8hr exam in first 20 minutes.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You win points if u know ur stuff well and possibly answer all 4
> > > correctly
> > > > leaving margin of one question to interpretation and come close to
> > > passing.
> > > > U still need you configuration portion correct.
> > > >
> > > > You answer more than one wrong and u fail entire lab even if u score
> > 100%
> > > > in
> > > > configuration portion.
> > > >
> > > > In my opinion it is how you look at it. On the exam day u need so
> many
> > > > things to go right in your favour to come out with a Pass. It's
> easier
> > to
> > > > fail.
> > > >
> > > > If someone wants to correct my thought process please do so.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 3:12 AM, Atlanta CCIE <atlantaccie_at_gmail.com
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Awesome! Now get rid of oeqs since that made passing too easy imho.
> > > > > Free 21 points in 15 min? Can't beat that :)
> > > > >
> > > > > On 10/29/09, Brad Ellis <brad_at_ccbootcamp.com> wrote:
> > > > > > You need approximately 75-80% to pass the troubleshooting
> section.
> > > You
> > > > > > need 80% to pass the configuration section.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > thanks,
> > > > > > Brad Ellis
> > > > > > CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
> > > > > > CCSI# 30482
> > > > > > CEO / President
> > > > > > CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Solutions Partner (CLSP)
> > > > > > Email: brad_at_ccbootcamp.com
> > > > > > Toll Free: 877-654-2243
> > > > > > International: +1-702-968-5100
> > > > > > Skype: skype:ccbootcamp?call
> > > > > > FAX: +1-702-446-8012
> > > > > > YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
> > > > > > Training And Remote Racks: http://www.ccbootcamp.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On
> > Behalf
> > > > Of
> > > > > > Jack
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 5:21 PM
> > > > > > To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> > > > > > Subject: R&S v4 points
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1. OEQ: 3/4 to pass
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2. Troubleshouting: 10 - 12 tickets, how many points/tickets to
> > pass?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 3. Configuration: Some one posted that taking EGP for example,
> > > instead
> > > > > > of separating into THREE questions like in previous version, the
> > new
> > > > > > version put all tasks into ONE big question. CCIE lab exam does
> > not
> > > > > > grant partial credit. If there were 13 tasks all together and
> some
> > > one
> > > > > > was able to accomplish 12 tasks out of it. Does it mean that the
> > new
> > > > > > version will give 0% while the old version will give 66% in this
> > > > > > section?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > Jack
> > > > > >
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