Re: Cisco Safe Lab

Excellent,
Thank you kindly Brad :-)

Mark Jackson, CCIE#4736

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Please excuse spelling errors

On Oct 28, 2009, at 4:33 PM, "Brad Ellis" <brad_at_ccbootcamp.com> wrote:

> Mark,
>
>
>
> She just gets a little excited, that's all. She has the best of
> intentions - she's just trying to set things straight with the details
> in regards to the lab safe program.
>
>
>
> I'm going to try, and hopefully, end this thread and suggest if you
> have
> any questions about the program to contact me offlist or, if you like,
> you can contact Rick Smith at cisco (smithr_at_cisco.com) We've asked
> Rick
> to work with CLN to clear up the confusion.
>
>
>
> thanks,
>
> Brad Ellis
>
> CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
>
> CCSI# 30482
>
> CEO / President
>
> CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Solutions Partner (CLSP)
>
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>
>
> From: mark jackson [mailto:markcciejackson_at_gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 4:28 PM
> To: Dawn Tesar
> Cc: Narbik Kocharians; <smorris_at_ine.com>; Brad Ellis; JR Garcia; Cisco
> certification
> Subject: Re: Cisco Safe Lab
>
>
>
> Or joining an outfit where the Sales and Marketing Director act like
> that = Terrible
>
>
>
> Hope your better with cisco gear then sales and marketing, might need
> those digits after all...
>
>
>
> Sorry Brad, I respect you highly but you have a loose cannon on your
> squad and that isn't good for business.
>
>
>
> Mark Jackson, CCIE#4736
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> Please excuse spelling errors
>
>
> On Oct 28, 2009, at 4:23 PM, "Dawn Tesar" <dawn_at_ccbootcamp.com> wrote:
>
> Pricing as follows:
>
> CIERS1 (5 day ILT Boot Camp)
>
> 1 Assessment Lab
>
> CCIE RS Advanced Lab Workbook
>
> CCIE RS Technology Lab Workbook
>
> 30 - eight hour sessions of rack time
>
> 1 hour mentoring session with CCIE RS Instructor
>
>
>
> PRICELESS, no really Total: $3144.00
>
>
>
> Just for putting up with all the bantering J
>
> I think this is justification for the Cisco Lab Safe Promotion.
> Yes?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dawn Tesar | Director, Sales and Marketing | CCBOOTCAMP
>
> 375 N. Stephanie Street Bldg. 21 Suite 2111, Henderson, Nevada
> 89014
>
> Toll Free 1.877.654.2243 Intl +1.702.968.5100 Fax
> 702.446.0357 Skype skype:ccbootcamp?call
>
> Email dawn_at_ccbootcamp.com
>
>
>
> CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Solutions Partner (CLSP) , Cisco
> Premier Channel Partner
> Yes! We take Cisco Learning Credits
> CompTIA Learning Alliance Partner
>
> GSA Schedule 70 Contractor #GS-35F-0044V
>
>
>
> From: Mark Jackson [mailto:markcciejackson_at_gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 4:12 PM
> To: Dawn Tesar
> Cc: Narbik Kocharians; smorris_at_ine.com; Brad Ellis; JR Garcia;
> Cisco certification
> Subject: Re: Cisco Safe Lab
>
>
>
> wow, who hurt the little 'dawn' inside you...oh, your welcome
> and I guess your done.
>
> ...note to self on what vendor not to recommend or take.
>
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 4:04 PM, Dawn Tesar
> <dawn_at_ccbootcamp.com> wrote:
>
> And here is my document - read to the end please (pg 2, bulleted
> points to be exact) -
>
>
> http://www.ccbootcamp.com/collateral/360/cisco-lab-safe-promotion.pdf
>
> Some of us have more information than others and that is why I
> am sharing this with you.
>
>
>
> Obtain their instructor's recommendation
>
> Complete the Cisco 360 Learning Program for CCIE R&S Essentials
> Package
>
> or a CIERS instructor-led workshop
>
> Score 80% or better on at least one performance assessment
>
>
>
> You are welcome J Are we done now?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dawn Tesar | Director, Sales and Marketing | CCBOOTCAMP
>
> 375 N. Stephanie Street Bldg. 21 Suite 2111, Henderson, Nevada
> 89014
>
> Toll Free 1.877.654.2243 Intl +1.702.968.5100 Fax
> 702.446.0357 Skype skype:ccbootcamp?call
>
> Email dawn_at_ccbootcamp.com
>
>
>
> CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Solutions Partner (CLSP) , Cisco
> Premier Channel Partner
>
>
> Yes! We take Cisco Learning Credits
> CompTIA Learning Alliance Partner
>
> GSA Schedule 70 Contractor #GS-35F-0044V
>
>
>
> From: Mark Jackson [mailto:markcciejackson_at_gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 3:52 PM
> To: Narbik Kocharians
> Cc: Dawn Tesar; smorris_at_ine.com; Brad Ellis; JR Garcia; Cisco
> certification
>
>
> Subject: Re: Cisco Safe Lab
>
>
>
> All the bickering and barking. All the opinions and harsh tones.
> All this for what? To get customers? Prove a point? You all (no names
> provided as I already said what I felt) are providing absolutely EPIC
> FAILURE... Now won't you all take a deep breath...
>
> For anyone reading this who thinks this is all this list is
> about. Kindly forgive the BS. The kids arguing just can't provide a
> document and just move on. Instead, they trump their business...not
> really thinking that by all the talking their doing they are in fact
> making their business look STOOPID!!!
>
> Here is the document
> https://learningnetwork.cisco.com/docs/DOC-5913
>
> Hopefully this will put an end to this, so we can all help,
> learn or whatever. I'm just tired of having to hit delete every 5
> seconds with no real traction.
>
> Thanks kindly.
>
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Narbik Kocharians
> <narbikk_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
> NOW....Was that different to what i mentioned?
>
>
>
> I am in this program and i do talk to RICK Smith, and sometimes
> on weekly basis. I have included my 2.0 boot camp in this program and
> together the students have a better passing rate. May be the BEST
> passing chance. But hey.....if a student does NOT score 80 percent on
> ONE of the labs, then, i guess i will not be recommending him/her
> for a
> FREE voucher, i guess after all the labs and lectures in my boot
> camp if
> you still score below 80 percent on all the labs, i guess you are NOT
> ready therefore, you don't qualify.
>
> Now once again:
>
>
>
> 1 Attend CIERS1 or CIERS2
> 2 Complete 1 Assessment Lab and score 80% or higher
> 3 Instructor Recommendation
>
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Dawn Tesar
> <dawn_at_ccbootcamp.com> wrote:
>
> Stop reading and start understanding -
>
> Let's be really clear and end this discussion, I am part of this
> promotion:
> If you would like to be a part of the Cisco Lab Safe Promotion -
> call me, here is what you HAVE TO do:
> 1 Attend CIERS1 or CIERS2
> 2 Complete 1 Assessment Lab and score 80% or higher
> 3 Instructor Recommendation
>
> Period the end. I guaranteed this to be accurate.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Dawn Tesar
> CCBOOTCAMP
> 1.877.654.2243
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Morris [mailto:smorris_at_ine.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 2:29 PM
> To: Narbik Kocharians
> Cc: smorris_at_ine.com; Dawn Tesar; mark jackson; Brad Ellis; JR
> Garcia; Cisco certification
> Subject: Re: Cisco Safe Lab
>
> I'm not doing anything but reading. Why is that so hard for
> some people
> to do???
>
> For the assessment labs, it very clearly states "Complete all
> and score
> 80% or higher on at least one exam"
>
> AND = both. Purchase FOUR assessment labs. Score above 80% on
> at least
> one.
>
> Attend the course as you stated
>
> AND obtain the instructor's recommendation. While we may like
> to assume
> that's an automatic thing, clearly it is not otherwise they
> wouldn't
> bother putting that in there.
>
> Beyond that, I'm not making anything up, but it would be very
> nice to
> have people read their own marketing stuff. And it says that
> "All
> components must be marked complete" blah, blah, blah.
>
> I repeat, I don't have anything against the program or the Safe
> Lab...
> Just against sales folks not knowing their own rules and trying
> to sell
> something without full disclosure. And yes, I hold the same
> principles
> towards anyone selling anything in life, so it's nothing new.
>
> If that's unbelievable for you, I'm sorry about that. Notice
> that in
> NONE of the posts did I say "gee, go someplace else instead" or
> name
> anything else. So how about you figure out what the program is
> that
> you are involved in and between yourselves quit making shit up?
> THAT is
> the point.
>
> Principles. New concept. Nothing more needs to be said about
> it, so
> feel free to come out with another "unbelievable" commentary.
> I'm done
> with it.
>
> Scott
>
>
> Narbik Kocharians wrote:
> > Scott,
> >
> > Why do you like to confuse everyone? I read the rules and
> spoke to Netmaster
> > and some people in Cisco, its amazing how you have the ability
> to twist the
> > words around. Mate the rule is very SIMPLE, if you attend
> CIERS-1 and score
> > 80 or better and god forbid you fail the lab, upon instructors
> > recommendation Cisco will give that student a FREE voucher.
> NOW...Which part
> > is NOT clear? If you like i can get Netmaster people to second
> what i am
> > saying here.
> >
> > This is unbelievable what some will do these days............
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 6:09 AM, Scott Morris
> <smorris_at_ine.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Well said... But you may consider telling the Cisco
> Marketing people
> >> about their own program since clearly you know it better than
> they do! ;)
> >>
> >> The publicly facing document has pretty clear guidelines for
> all the
> >> stuff you have to purchase and accomplish in order to "fit
> the criteria"
> >> for the free lab resit. I believe a GS Archive search will
> see that
> >> too, but it's ok.
> >>
> >> https://learningnetwork.cisco.com/docs/DOC-5857
> >>
> >> I'm not sure why I need to know more about your programs than
> you do,
> >> but it's ok. Just like used cars... Taxes, fees, licenses,
> delivery
> >> to destination, titling all separate (but required).
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service
> Provider) #4713,
> >>
> >> JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
> >>
> >> JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
> >>
> >> evil_at_ine.com
> >>
> >>
> >> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> >>
> >> http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
> <http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
> >>
> >> Toll Free: 877-224-8987
> >>
> >> Outside US: 775-826-4344
> >>
> >>
> >> Knowledge is power.
> >>
> >> Power corrupts.
> >>
> >> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Narbik Kocharians wrote:
> >>
> >>> Well said. How could one even think about grey market?
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Dawn Tesar
> <dawn_at_ccbootcamp.com
> >>> <mailto:dawn_at_ccbootcamp.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Actually... take it from someone who knows the Cisco 360
> Program -
> >>> you only have to buy a single class and a graded
> assessment to be
> >>> a part of the Cisco Lab Safe. :)
> >>>
> >>> Well worth the protection. And it doesn't cost a cent
> more than
> >>> grey market. HMMMM... what would I choose?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Dawn Tesar | Director, Sales and Marketing | CCBOOTCAMP
> >>> 375 N. Stephanie Street Bldg. 21 Suite 2111, Henderson,
> Nevada 89014
> >>> Toll Free 1.877.654.2243 Intl +1.702.968.5100 Fax
> 702.446.0357
> >>> Skype skype:ccbootcamp?call
> >>> Email dawn_at_ccbootcamp.com <mailto:dawn_at_ccbootcamp.com>
> >>>
> >>> CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Solutions Partner (CLSP) ,
> Cisco
> >>> Premier Channel Partner
> >>> Yes! We take Cisco Learning Credits
> >>> CompTIA Learning Alliance Partner
> >>> GSA Schedule 70 Contractor #GS-35F-0044V
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: mark jackson [mailto:markcciejackson_at_gmail.com
> >>> <mailto:markcciejackson_at_gmail.com>]
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 3:25 PM
> >>> To: smorris_at_ine.com <mailto:smorris_at_ine.com>
> >>> Cc: Brad Ellis; JR Garcia; Cisco certification; Dawn
> Tesar
> >>> Subject: Re: Anyone ever take a Hienz Ulm class?
> >>>
> >>> ...mental note made ;-)
> >>>
> >>> Mark Jackson, CCIE#4736
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>> Please excuse spelling errors
> >>>
> >>> On Oct 27, 2009, at 3:21 PM, Scott Morris
> <smorris_at_ine.com
> >>> <mailto:smorris_at_ine.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > hehehehe... While that made me laugh out loud, I'd
> still at least
> >>> > caution that it's not the WHOLE story.
> >>> >
> >>> > You have to purchase several other things to be part
> of the
> >>> Cisco Safe
> >>> > Lab program.
> >>> >
> >>> > So I think you have to BUY the screwdriver set in
> order to get the
> >>> > special case.
> >>> >
> >>> > Scott
> >>> >
> >>> > mark jackson wrote:
> >>> >> ...but wait there's more! Act now and receive
> absolutely free,
> >>>
> >> this
> >>
> >>> >> free screwdriver set.
> >>> >> Sorry, could resist (hehe)
> >>> >> All great people JR and well worth looking at ;-)
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Mark Jackson, CCIE#4736
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>> >> Please excuse spelling errors
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On Oct 27, 2009, at 2:42 PM, "Brad Ellis"
> <brad_at_ccbootcamp.com
> >>> <mailto:brad_at_ccbootcamp.com>>
> >>> >> wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>> JR,
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> If you book your class with CCBOOTCAMP (my company),
> you will
> >>> get a
> >>> >>> free
> >>> >>> retake of not only our class, but if you fail your
> lab exam, with
> >>> >>> the
> >>> >>> Cisco 360 lab safe program, you will also get a free
> retake of
> >>>
> >> the
> >>
> >>> >>> lab
> >>> >>> exam as well.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> thanks,
> >>> >>> Brad Ellis
> >>> >>> CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
> >>> >>> CCSI# 30482
> >>> >>> CEO / President
> >>> >>> CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Solutions Partner (CLSP)
> >>> >>> Email: brad_at_ccbootcamp.com
> <mailto:brad_at_ccbootcamp.com>
> >>> >>> Toll Free: 877-654-2243
> >>> >>> International: +1-702-968-5100
> >>> >>> Skype: skype:ccbootcamp?call
> >>> >>> FAX: +1-702-446-8012
> >>> >>> YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
> >>> >>> Training And Remote Racks: http://www.ccbootcamp.com
> >>> <http://www.ccbootcamp.com/>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> >>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com
> <mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com>
> >>> [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com
> <mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com>] On
> >>> Behalf
> >>> >>> Of
> >>> >>> JR Garcia
> >>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 11:40 AM
> >>> >>> To: Cisco certification
> >>> >>> Subject: Anyone ever take a Hienz Ulm class?
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> was looking at taking a class spring 2010 before
> making an
> >>>
> >> attempt
> >>
> >>> >>> at
> >>> >>> the
> >>> >>> lab.
> >>> >>> has any one ever attended one of his classes? the
> other vendors
> >>> >>> offer a
> >>> >>> lab/lecture type class, but i really don't want any
> lecture. i
> >>>
> >> can
> >>
> >>> >>> read
> >>> >>> and
> >>> >>> watch videos on my own time to learn the
> technologies.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> leaving home for 3 weeks with no distractions and
> just
> >>>
> >> configuring
> >>
> >>> >>> everyday
> >>> >>> with someone there to give guidance is really
> appealing to me.
> >>> seems
> >>> >>> like a
> >>> >>> good way to finish up studying before an attempt. i
> haven't been
> >>> >>> able
> >>> >>> to
> >>> >>> find any reviews out there so i figured id try here.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> thanks
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
> >>> <http://www.ccie.net/>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Narbik Kocharians
> >>> CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
> >>> www.MicronicsTraining.com
> <http://www.micronicstraining.com/> <
> >>>
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> <http://www.micronicstraining.com/>>
> >>
> >>> Sr. Technical Instructor
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> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Narbik Kocharians
> CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
> www.MicronicsTraining.com
>
> Sr. Technical Instructor
> YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
> Training And Remote Racks available
>
>
>
>
> --
> Mark Jackson, CCIE #4736
> Senior Network, Security and Voice Architect
>
> 858.705.1861
>
>
>
>
> --
> Mark Jackson, CCIE #4736
> Senior Network, Security and Voice Architect
>
> 858.705.1861

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