Re: Cisco Safe Lab

SHOOT, I AM SORRY.....

All of a sudden i realized that i am kind of agreeing with some people here
in this list, *i am sorry*, *i agree that the documentation is misleading.*

On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Dawn Tesar <dawn_at_ccbootcamp.com> wrote:

> Working on updating doc that just takes a while.
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>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dawn Tesar
>
> CCBOOTCAMP
>
> 1.877.654.2243
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>
> *From:* Craig Tompkins [mailto:sidalo_at_gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 28, 2009 4:28 PM
> *To:* Dawn Tesar
> *Cc:* Mark Jackson; Narbik Kocharians; smorris_at_ine.com; Brad Ellis; JR
> Garcia; Cisco certification
>
> *Subject:* Re: Cisco Safe Lab
>
>
>
> My question would be why are there differences in the two documents? Maybe
> it is me who is missing something, but if I was new to the game and started
> researching and came across the Cisco Learning Network, I would find their
> document which tells me I need all 4 assessments.
> Maybe you can take this specifically to Cisco and work on updating their
> document to match yours if the requirement to take all 4 was removed,
> changed or never should have been on that document in the first place.
> Fixing the discrepancies benefit your company and the prospective
> candidates.
>
> ---
> Craig Tompkins
> CCIE #16921
>
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 4:04 PM, Dawn Tesar <dawn_at_ccbootcamp.com> wrote:
>
> And here is my document - read to the end please (pg 2, bulleted points
> to be exact) -
>
> http://www.ccbootcamp.com/collateral/360/cisco-lab-safe-promotion.pdf
>
> Some of us have more information than others and that is why I am
> sharing this with you.
>
>
>
> Obtain their instructor's recommendation
>
> Complete the Cisco 360 Learning Program for CCIE R&S Essentials Package
>
> or a CIERS instructor-led workshop
>
> Score 80% or better on at least one performance assessment
>
>
>
> You are welcome J Are we done now?
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dawn Tesar | Director, Sales and Marketing | CCBOOTCAMP
>
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> From: Mark Jackson [mailto:markcciejackson_at_gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 3:52 PM
> To: Narbik Kocharians
> Cc: Dawn Tesar; smorris_at_ine.com; Brad Ellis; JR Garcia; Cisco
>
> certification
> Subject: Re: Cisco Safe Lab
>
>
>
> All the bickering and barking. All the opinions and harsh tones. All
> this for what? To get customers? Prove a point? You all (no names
> provided as I already said what I felt) are providing absolutely EPIC
> FAILURE... Now won't you all take a deep breath...
>
> For anyone reading this who thinks this is all this list is about.
> Kindly forgive the BS. The kids arguing just can't provide a document
> and just move on. Instead, they trump their business...not really
> thinking that by all the talking their doing they are in fact making
> their business look STOOPID!!!
>
> Here is the document https://learningnetwork.cisco.com/docs/DOC-5913
>
> Hopefully this will put an end to this, so we can all help, learn or
> whatever. I'm just tired of having to hit delete every 5 seconds with no
> real traction.
>
> Thanks kindly.
>
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> NOW....Was that different to what i mentioned?
>
>
>
> I am in this program and i do talk to RICK Smith, and sometimes on
> weekly basis. I have included my 2.0 boot camp in this program and
> together the students have a better passing rate. May be the BEST
> passing chance. But hey.....if a student does NOT score 80 percent on
> ONE of the labs, then, i guess i will not be recommending him/her for a
> FREE voucher, i guess after all the labs and lectures in my boot camp if
> you still score below 80 percent on all the labs, i guess you are NOT
> ready therefore, you don't qualify.
>
> Now once again:
>
>
>
> 1 Attend CIERS1 or CIERS2
> 2 Complete 1 Assessment Lab and score 80% or higher
> 3 Instructor Recommendation
>
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Dawn Tesar <dawn_at_ccbootcamp.com> wrote:
>
> Stop reading and start understanding -
>
> Let's be really clear and end this discussion, I am part of this
> promotion:
> If you would like to be a part of the Cisco Lab Safe Promotion - call
> me, here is what you HAVE TO do:
> 1 Attend CIERS1 or CIERS2
> 2 Complete 1 Assessment Lab and score 80% or higher
> 3 Instructor Recommendation
>
> Period the end. I guaranteed this to be accurate.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Dawn Tesar
> CCBOOTCAMP
> 1.877.654.2243
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Morris [mailto:smorris_at_ine.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 2:29 PM
> To: Narbik Kocharians
> Cc: smorris_at_ine.com; Dawn Tesar; mark jackson; Brad Ellis; JR Garcia;
> Cisco certification
> Subject: Re: Cisco Safe Lab
>
> I'm not doing anything but reading. Why is that so hard for some people
> to do???
>
> For the assessment labs, it very clearly states "Complete all and score
> 80% or higher on at least one exam"
>
> AND = both. Purchase FOUR assessment labs. Score above 80% on at least
> one.
>
> Attend the course as you stated
>
> AND obtain the instructor's recommendation. While we may like to assume
> that's an automatic thing, clearly it is not otherwise they wouldn't
> bother putting that in there.
>
> Beyond that, I'm not making anything up, but it would be very nice to
> have people read their own marketing stuff. And it says that "All
> components must be marked complete" blah, blah, blah.
>
> I repeat, I don't have anything against the program or the Safe Lab...
> Just against sales folks not knowing their own rules and trying to sell
> something without full disclosure. And yes, I hold the same principles
> towards anyone selling anything in life, so it's nothing new.
>
> If that's unbelievable for you, I'm sorry about that. Notice that in
> NONE of the posts did I say "gee, go someplace else instead" or name
> anything else. So how about you figure out what the program is that
> you are involved in and between yourselves quit making shit up? THAT is
> the point.
>
> Principles. New concept. Nothing more needs to be said about it, so
> feel free to come out with another "unbelievable" commentary. I'm done
> with it.
>
> Scott
>
>
> Narbik Kocharians wrote:
> > Scott,
> >
> > Why do you like to confuse everyone? I read the rules and spoke to
> Netmaster
> > and some people in Cisco, its amazing how you have the ability to
> twist the
> > words around. Mate the rule is very SIMPLE, if you attend CIERS-1 and
> score
> > 80 or better and god forbid you fail the lab, upon instructors
> > recommendation Cisco will give that student a FREE voucher.
> NOW...Which part
> > is NOT clear? If you like i can get Netmaster people to second what i
> am
> > saying here.
> >
> > This is unbelievable what some will do these days............
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 6:09 AM, Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Well said... But you may consider telling the Cisco Marketing people
> >> about their own program since clearly you know it better than they
> do! ;)
> >>
> >> The publicly facing document has pretty clear guidelines for all the
> >> stuff you have to purchase and accomplish in order to "fit the
> criteria"
> >> for the free lab resit. I believe a GS Archive search will see that
> >> too, but it's ok.
> >>
> >> https://learningnetwork.cisco.com/docs/DOC-5857
> >>
> >> I'm not sure why I need to know more about your programs than you do,
> >> but it's ok. Just like used cars... Taxes, fees, licenses,
> delivery
> >> to destination, titling all separate (but required).
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider)
> #4713,
> >>
> >> JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
> >>
> >> JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
> >>
> >> evil_at_ine.com
> >>
> >>
> >> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> >>
> >> http://www.InternetworkExpert.com <http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
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> >>
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> >> Knowledge is power.
> >>
> >> Power corrupts.
> >>
> >> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Narbik Kocharians wrote:
> >>
> >>> Well said. How could one even think about grey market?
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Dawn Tesar <dawn_at_ccbootcamp.com
> >>> <mailto:dawn_at_ccbootcamp.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Actually... take it from someone who knows the Cisco 360 Program
> -
> >>> you only have to buy a single class and a graded assessment to
> be
> >>> a part of the Cisco Lab Safe. :)
> >>>
> >>> Well worth the protection. And it doesn't cost a cent more than
> >>> grey market. HMMMM... what would I choose?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Dawn Tesar | Director, Sales and Marketing | CCBOOTCAMP
> >>> 375 N. Stephanie Street Bldg. 21 Suite 2111, Henderson, Nevada
> 89014
> >>> Toll Free 1.877.654.2243 Intl +1.702.968.5100 Fax
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> >>> Email dawn_at_ccbootcamp.com <mailto:dawn_at_ccbootcamp.com>
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> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: mark jackson [mailto:markcciejackson_at_gmail.com
> >>> <mailto:markcciejackson_at_gmail.com>]
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 3:25 PM
> >>> To: smorris_at_ine.com <mailto:smorris_at_ine.com>
> >>> Cc: Brad Ellis; JR Garcia; Cisco certification; Dawn Tesar
> >>> Subject: Re: Anyone ever take a Hienz Ulm class?
> >>>
> >>> ...mental note made ;-)
> >>>
> >>> Mark Jackson, CCIE#4736
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>> Please excuse spelling errors
> >>>
> >>> On Oct 27, 2009, at 3:21 PM, Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com
> >>> <mailto:smorris_at_ine.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > hehehehe... While that made me laugh out loud, I'd still at
> least
> >>> > caution that it's not the WHOLE story.
> >>> >
> >>> > You have to purchase several other things to be part of the
> >>> Cisco Safe
> >>> > Lab program.
> >>> >
> >>> > So I think you have to BUY the screwdriver set in order to get
> the
> >>> > special case.
> >>> >
> >>> > Scott
> >>> >
> >>> > mark jackson wrote:
> >>> >> ...but wait there's more! Act now and receive absolutely
> free,
> >>>
> >> this
> >>
> >>> >> free screwdriver set.
> >>> >> Sorry, could resist (hehe)
> >>> >> All great people JR and well worth looking at ;-)
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Mark Jackson, CCIE#4736
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>> >> Please excuse spelling errors
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On Oct 27, 2009, at 2:42 PM, "Brad Ellis"
> <brad_at_ccbootcamp.com
> >>> <mailto:brad_at_ccbootcamp.com>>
> >>> >> wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>> JR,
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> If you book your class with CCBOOTCAMP (my company), you
> will
> >>> get a
> >>> >>> free
> >>> >>> retake of not only our class, but if you fail your lab exam,
> with
> >>> >>> the
> >>> >>> Cisco 360 lab safe program, you will also get a free retake
> of
> >>>
> >> the
> >>
> >>> >>> lab
> >>> >>> exam as well.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> thanks,
> >>> >>> Brad Ellis
> >>> >>> CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
> >>> >>> CCSI# 30482
> >>> >>> CEO / President
> >>> >>> CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Solutions Partner (CLSP)
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> >>> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> >>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com <mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com>
> >>> [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com <mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com>] On
> >>> Behalf
> >>> >>> Of
> >>> >>> JR Garcia
> >>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 11:40 AM
> >>> >>> To: Cisco certification
> >>> >>> Subject: Anyone ever take a Hienz Ulm class?
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> was looking at taking a class spring 2010 before making an
> >>>
> >> attempt
> >>
> >>> >>> at
> >>> >>> the
> >>> >>> lab.
> >>> >>> has any one ever attended one of his classes? the other
> vendors
> >>> >>> offer a
> >>> >>> lab/lecture type class, but i really don't want any lecture.
> i
> >>>
> >> can
> >>
> >>> >>> read
> >>> >>> and
> >>> >>> watch videos on my own time to learn the technologies.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> leaving home for 3 weeks with no distractions and just
> >>>
> >> configuring
> >>
> >>> >>> everyday
> >>> >>> with someone there to give guidance is really appealing to
> me.
> >>> seems
> >>> >>> like a
> >>> >>> good way to finish up studying before an attempt. i haven't
> been
> >>> >>> able
> >>> >>> to
> >>> >>> find any reviews out there so i figured id try here.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> thanks
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
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> >>> CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
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