Re: Cisco Safe Lab

Or joining an outfit where the Sales and Marketing Director act like that =
Terrible

Hope your better with cisco gear then sales and marketing, might need those
digits after all...

Sorry Brad, I respect you highly but you have a loose cannon on your squad
and that isn't good for business.

Mark Jackson, CCIE#4736

Sent from my iPhone
Please excuse spelling errors

On Oct 28, 2009, at 4:23 PM, "Dawn Tesar" <dawn_at_ccbootcamp.com> wrote:

 Pricing as follows:

CIERS1 (5 day ILT Boot Camp)

1 Assessment Lab

CCIE RS Advanced Lab Workbook

CCIE RS Technology Lab Workbook

30 - eight hour sessions of rack time

1 hour mentoring session with CCIE RS Instructor

PRICELESS, no really Total: $3144.00

Just for putting up with all the bantering J

I think this is justification for the Cisco Lab Safe Promotion. Yes?

Thanks,

Dawn Tesar | *Director, Sales and Marketing* | CCBOOTCAMP

375 N. Stephanie Street Bldg. 21 Suite 2111, Henderson, Nevada 89014

Toll Free 1.877.654.2243 Intl +1.702.968.5100 Fax 702.446.0357 Skype
skype:ccbootcamp?call

Email dawn_at_ccbootcamp.com

*CCBOOTCAMP  Cisco Learning Solutions Partner (CLSP) , Cisco Premier
Channel Partner
Yes! We take Cisco Learning Credits
CompTIA Learning Alliance Partner *

*GSA Schedule 70 Contractor #GS-35F-0044V*

*From:* Mark Jackson [mailto:markcciejackson_at_gmail.com]
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 28, 2009 4:12 PM
*To:* Dawn Tesar
*Cc:* Narbik Kocharians; smorris_at_ine.com; Brad Ellis; JR Garcia; Cisco
certification
*Subject:* Re: Cisco Safe Lab

wow, who hurt the little 'dawn' inside you...oh, your welcome and I guess
your done.

...note to self on what vendor not to recommend or take.

On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 4:04 PM, Dawn Tesar <dawn_at_ccbootcamp.com> wrote:

And here is my document  read to the end please (pg 2, bulleted points to
be exact) 

http://www.ccbootcamp.com/collateral/360/cisco-lab-safe-promotion.pdf

Some of us have more information than others and that is why I am sharing
this with you.

Obtain their instructors recommendation

Complete the Cisco 360 Learning Program for CCIE R&S Essentials Package

or a CIERS instructor-led workshop

Score 80% or better on at least one performance assessment

You are welcome J Are we done now?

Thanks,

Dawn Tesar | *Director, Sales and Marketing* | CCBOOTCAMP

375 N. Stephanie Street Bldg. 21 Suite 2111, Henderson, Nevada 89014

Toll Free 1.877.654.2243 Intl +1.702.968.5100 Fax 702.446.0357 Skype
skype:ccbootcamp?call

Email dawn_at_ccbootcamp.com

*CCBOOTCAMP  Cisco Learning Solutions Partner (CLSP) , Cisco Premier
Channel Partner *

*
Yes! We take Cisco Learning Credits
CompTIA Learning Alliance Partner *

*GSA Schedule 70 Contractor #GS-35F-0044V*

*From:* Mark Jackson [mailto:markcciejackson_at_gmail.com]
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 28, 2009 3:52 PM
*To:* Narbik Kocharians
*Cc:* Dawn Tesar; smorris_at_ine.com; Brad Ellis; JR Garcia; Cisco
certification

*Subject:* Re: Cisco Safe Lab

All the bickering and barking. All the opinions and harsh tones. All this
for what? To get customers? Prove a point? You all (no names provided as I
already said what I felt) are providing absolutely EPIC FAILURE... Now won't
you all take a deep breath...

For anyone reading this who thinks this is all this list is about. Kindly
forgive the BS. The kids arguing just can't provide a document and just move
on. Instead, they trump their business...not really thinking that by all the
talking their doing they are in fact making their business look STOOPID!!!

Here is the document https://learningnetwork.cisco.com/docs/DOC-5913

Hopefully this will put an end to this, so we can all help, learn or
whatever. I'm just tired of having to hit delete every 5 seconds with no
real traction.

Thanks kindly.

On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
wrote:

NOW....Was that different to what i mentioned?

I am in this program and i do talk to RICK Smith, and sometimes on weekly
basis. I have included my 2.0 boot camp in this program and together the
students have a better passing rate. May be the BEST passing chance. But
hey.....if a student does NOT score 80 percent on *ONE* of the labs, then, i
guess i will not be recommending him/her for a FREE voucher, i guess after
all the labs and lectures in my boot camp if you still score below 80
percent on all the labs, i guess you are NOT ready therefore, you don't
qualify.

Now once again:

1 Attend CIERS1 or CIERS2
2 Complete 1 Assessment Lab and score 80% or higher
3 Instructor Recommendation

On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Dawn Tesar <dawn_at_ccbootcamp.com> wrote:

Stop reading and start understanding -

Let's be really clear and end this discussion, I am part of this promotion:
If you would like to be a part of the Cisco Lab Safe Promotion - call me,
here is what you HAVE TO do:
1 Attend CIERS1 or CIERS2
2 Complete 1 Assessment Lab and score 80% or higher
3 Instructor Recommendation

Period the end. I guaranteed this to be accurate.

Thanks,
Dawn Tesar
CCBOOTCAMP
1.877.654.2243

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Morris [mailto:smorris_at_ine.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 2:29 PM
To: Narbik Kocharians
Cc: smorris_at_ine.com; Dawn Tesar; mark jackson; Brad Ellis; JR Garcia; Cisco
certification
Subject: Re: Cisco Safe Lab

I'm not doing anything but reading. Why is that so hard for some people
to do???

For the assessment labs, it very clearly states "Complete all and score
80% or higher on at least one exam"

AND = both. Purchase FOUR assessment labs. Score above 80% on at least
one.

Attend the course as you stated

AND obtain the instructor's recommendation. While we may like to assume
that's an automatic thing, clearly it is not otherwise they wouldn't
bother putting that in there.

Beyond that, I'm not making anything up, but it would be very nice to
have people read their own marketing stuff. And it says that "All
components must be marked complete" blah, blah, blah.

I repeat, I don't have anything against the program or the Safe Lab...
Just against sales folks not knowing their own rules and trying to sell
something without full disclosure. And yes, I hold the same principles
towards anyone selling anything in life, so it's nothing new.

If that's unbelievable for you, I'm sorry about that. Notice that in
NONE of the posts did I say "gee, go someplace else instead" or name
anything else. So how about you figure out what the program is that
you are involved in and between yourselves quit making shit up? THAT is
the point.

Principles. New concept. Nothing more needs to be said about it, so
feel free to come out with another "unbelievable" commentary. I'm done
with it.

Scott

Narbik Kocharians wrote:
> Scott,
>
> Why do you like to confuse everyone? I read the rules and spoke to
Netmaster
> and some people in Cisco, its amazing how you have the ability to twist
the
> words around. Mate the rule is very SIMPLE, if you attend CIERS-1 and
score
> 80 or better and god forbid you fail the lab, upon instructors
> recommendation Cisco will give that student a FREE voucher. NOW...Which
part
> is NOT clear? If you like i can get Netmaster people to second what i am
> saying here.
>
> This is unbelievable what some will do these days............
>
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 6:09 AM, Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Well said... But you may consider telling the Cisco Marketing people
>> about their own program since clearly you know it better than they do!
 ;)
>>
>> The publicly facing document has pretty clear guidelines for all the
>> stuff you have to purchase and accomplish in order to "fit the criteria"
>> for the free lab resit. I believe a GS Archive search will see that
>> too, but it's ok.
>>
>> https://learningnetwork.cisco.com/docs/DOC-5857
>>
>> I'm not sure why I need to know more about your programs than you do,
>> but it's ok. Just like used cars... Taxes, fees, licenses, delivery
>> to destination, titling all separate (but required).
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,
>>
>> JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
>>
>> JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
>>
>> evil_at_ine.com
>>
>>
>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>>
>> http://www.InternetworkExpert.com <http://www.internetworkexpert.com/> <
http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
>>
>> Toll Free: 877-224-8987
>>
>> Outside US: 775-826-4344
>>
>>
>> Knowledge is power.
>>
>> Power corrupts.
>>
>> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
>>
>>
>>
>> Narbik Kocharians wrote:
>>
>>> Well said. How could one even think about grey market?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Dawn Tesar <dawn_at_ccbootcamp.com
>>> <mailto:dawn_at_ccbootcamp.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Actually... take it from someone who knows the Cisco 360 Program -
>>> you only have to buy a single class and a graded assessment to be
>>> a part of the Cisco Lab Safe. :)
>>>
>>> Well worth the protection. And it doesn't cost a cent more than
>>> grey market. HMMMM... what would I choose?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Dawn Tesar | Director, Sales and Marketing | CCBOOTCAMP
>>> 375 N. Stephanie Street Bldg. 21 Suite 2111, Henderson, Nevada 89014
>>> Toll Free 1.877.654.2243 Intl +1.702.968.5100 Fax 702.446.0357
>>> Skype skype:ccbootcamp?call
>>> Email dawn_at_ccbootcamp.com <mailto:dawn_at_ccbootcamp.com>
>>>
>>> CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Solutions Partner (CLSP) , Cisco
>>> Premier Channel Partner
>>> Yes! We take Cisco Learning Credits
>>> CompTIA Learning Alliance Partner
>>> GSA Schedule 70 Contractor #GS-35F-0044V
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: mark jackson [mailto:markcciejackson_at_gmail.com
>>> <mailto:markcciejackson_at_gmail.com>]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 3:25 PM
>>> To: smorris_at_ine.com <mailto:smorris_at_ine.com>
>>> Cc: Brad Ellis; JR Garcia; Cisco certification; Dawn Tesar
>>> Subject: Re: Anyone ever take a Hienz Ulm class?
>>>
>>> ...mental note made ;-)
>>>
>>> Mark Jackson, CCIE#4736
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> Please excuse spelling errors
>>>
>>> On Oct 27, 2009, at 3:21 PM, Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com
>>> <mailto:smorris_at_ine.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > hehehehe... While that made me laugh out loud, I'd still at
least
>>> > caution that it's not the WHOLE story.
>>> >
>>> > You have to purchase several other things to be part of the
>>> Cisco Safe
>>> > Lab program.
>>> >
>>> > So I think you have to BUY the screwdriver set in order to get the
>>> > special case.
>>> >
>>> > Scott
>>> >
>>> > mark jackson wrote:
>>> >> ...but wait there's more! Act now and receive absolutely free,
>>>
>> this
>>
>>> >> free screwdriver set.
>>> >> Sorry, could resist (hehe)
>>> >> All great people JR and well worth looking at ;-)
>>> >>
>>> >> Mark Jackson, CCIE#4736
>>> >>
>>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>>> >> Please excuse spelling errors
>>> >>
>>> >> On Oct 27, 2009, at 2:42 PM, "Brad Ellis" <brad_at_ccbootcamp.com
>>> <mailto:brad_at_ccbootcamp.com>>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>> JR,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> If you book your class with CCBOOTCAMP (my company), you will
>>> get a
>>> >>> free
>>> >>> retake of not only our class, but if you fail your lab exam,
with
>>> >>> the
>>> >>> Cisco 360 lab safe program, you will also get a free retake of
>>>
>> the
>>
>>> >>> lab
>>> >>> exam as well.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> thanks,
>>> >>> Brad Ellis
>>> >>> CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
>>> >>> CCSI# 30482
>>> >>> CEO / President
>>> >>> CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Solutions Partner (CLSP)
>>> >>> Email: brad_at_ccbootcamp.com <mailto:brad_at_ccbootcamp.com>
>>> >>> Toll Free: 877-654-2243
>>> >>> International: +1-702-968-5100
>>> >>> Skype: skype:ccbootcamp?call
>>> >>> FAX: +1-702-446-8012
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>>> <http://www.ccbootcamp.com/>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>>> >>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com <mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com>
>>> [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com <mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com>] On
>>> Behalf
>>> >>> Of
>>> >>> JR Garcia
>>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 11:40 AM
>>> >>> To: Cisco certification
>>> >>> Subject: Anyone ever take a Hienz Ulm class?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> was looking at taking a class spring 2010 before making an
>>>
>> attempt
>>
>>> >>> at
>>> >>> the
>>> >>> lab.
>>> >>> has any one ever attended one of his classes? the other vendors
>>> >>> offer a
>>> >>> lab/lecture type class, but i really don't want any lecture. i
>>>
>> can
>>
>>> >>> read
>>> >>> and
>>> >>> watch videos on my own time to learn the technologies.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> leaving home for 3 weeks with no distractions and just
>>>
>> configuring
>>
>>> >>> everyday
>>> >>> with someone there to give guidance is really appealing to me.
>>> seems
>>> >>> like a
>>> >>> good way to finish up studying before an attempt. i haven't
been
>>> >>> able
>>> >>> to
>>> >>> find any reviews out there so i figured id try here.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> thanks
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
>>> <http://www.ccie.net/>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> --
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>
>
>
>

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Narbik Kocharians
CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
www.MicronicsTraining.com <http://www.micronicstraining.com/>

Sr. Technical Instructor
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Training And Remote Racks available

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Senior Network, Security and Voice Architect
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