Re: AM I READING RIGHT?

The prevailing wisdom is that this exam is a hands-on exercise.
Hands-on skills by definition cannot really be cheated upon. If a
person is taught to perform a task and can perform that task then
there is no such thing as cheating. Can a person cheat in a foot race?
If all the person is doing is running faster and nothing else? I am
not cheating I am going to pass an exam. I am not taping answers to my
fingernails and I do not have formulas tattooed under my eyelids. I
will bring only my person to the exam and will use whatever is given
to me to perform whatever tasks I am asked to perform. Is that not how
every other person takes this exam? I am going to take this exam just
like anyone else does. When I am done and I have won my bet it is up
to the entity that has employed me to do whatever they like with the
results of my experience. I am only here to prove it can be done or
not done in the time period of the wager. Some people may do what I am
doing in 6 months and some may take 6 years. I was challenged to do it
in 6 months. It is not unreasonable.

On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Joe Astorino <jastorino_at_ipexpert.com> wrote:
> Agreed but only a fool would take that bet since anybody could cheat. That works out well for you since your buddy is not concerned with that and more power to you I'm just saying I would not make that bet without some further stipulations
> Regards,
>
> Joe Astorino - CCIE #24347 R&S
> Technical Instructor - IPexpert, Inc.
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Johnny B CCIE <jbccie_at_gmail.com>
> Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 13:43:34
> To: CCIE Groupstudy<ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> Subject: Re: AM I READING RIGHT?
>
> I am already past the 30 day term or if the wager were worth it, I'd
> be more than happy to take your money too. Legitimacy is in the eyes
> of the beholder. I only said I would take an exam and pass it. Nothing
> more and nothing less. If I fail I lose. I cannot afford to lose and I
> never bet. I will do what I set out to do.
>
> On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Joe Astorino <jastorino_at_ipexpert.com> wrote:
>> If I could verify things were beind done lugitimately in 30 days I'd take that bet and I'd be shocked if anybody could do it in 30 days
>> Regards,
>>
>> Joe Astorino - CCIE #24347 R&S
>> Technical Instructor - IPexpert, Inc.
>> Cell: +1.586.212.6107
>> Fax: +1.810.454.0130
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>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ugwuadu_at_gmail.com
>> Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 17:19:10
>> To: mark jackson<markcciejackson_at_gmail.com>; Johnny B CCIE<jbccie_at_gmail.com>
>> Cc: CCIE Groupstudy<ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>> Subject: Re: AM I READING RIGHT?
>>
>> Hmm. This is getting very interesting.
>>
>> Henry Ugwuadu.
>> CCIE #23824
>>
>> Sent from my BlackBerry wireless device from MTN
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mark jackson <markcciejackson_at_gmail.com>
>> Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 10:15:26
>> To: Johnny B CCIE<jbccie_at_gmail.com>
>> Cc: CCIE Groupstudy<ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>> Subject: Re: AM I READING RIGHT?
>>
>> LoL. On the moral boundaires statement. Wouldn't want anyone to assume
>> you are doing things against policies ;-)
>>
>> Mark Jackson, CCIE#4736
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> Please excuse spelling errors
>>
>> On Oct 25, 2009, at 10:08 AM, Johnny B CCIE <jbccie_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you. I don't want anyone to misunderstand me. I am in this for
>>> the bet and it is worth it to me and I will win the bet. If the bet
>>> was for 30 days then I'd win the bet in 30 days. I have no pretentions
>>> of what it will take me to do this nor are there any moral boundaries.
>>> It is simply a bet to pass a test. Win or lose. I get paid to win and
>>> I do get paid. I'm not a betting man myself if you know what I mean.
>>> It's like taking candy from a baby.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Narbik Kocharians
>>> <narbikk_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Johnny,
>>>>
>>>> I am sure you are studying hard and based on what i am reading you
>>>> are
>>>> knowledgable as well, but the written can be done in 4 days if you
>>>> wanted
>>>> to, but when it comes to the lab, you must agree that it takes some
>>>> serious
>>>> studying.
>>>>
>>>> Even the written requires some serious studying, unless one goes to
>>>> test
>>>> preps. (I did NOT say that you did that). Reading 10 books, will
>>>> take about
>>>> a month or two to complete, and its NOT reading ONLY, its
>>>> understanding it
>>>> all so you can pass the test.
>>>>
>>>> BTW, i think you will do it, because you say to yourself "I have
>>>> to", which
>>>> is GR8.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Johnny B CCIE <jbccie_at_gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I am doing it as a bet. A friend of mine said I could not pass the
>>>>> CCIE Written in less than 30 days. I took the test within a week and
>>>>> won the bet. Now he said I could not take and pass the CCIE Lab
>>>>> within
>>>>> 6 months. Well guess what? I am going to win that bet too.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Joe Astorino <jastorino_at_ipexpert.com
>>>>> >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> If that is the case then why waste your time on the CCIE?
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joe Astorino - CCIE #24347 R&S
>>>>>> Technical Instructor - IPexpert, Inc.
>>>>>> Cell: +1.586.212.6107
>>>>>> Fax: +1.810.454.0130
>>>>>> Mailto: jastorino_at_ipexpert.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: armylegionmedic_at_aol.com
>>>>>> Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 11:51:41
>>>>>> To: <smoothccie_at_googlemail.com>; <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: AM I READING RIGHT?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is not meant to offend or be rude in any fashion or manor,
>>>>>> just a
>>>>>> personal opinion. I remember someone made a comment awhile back
>>>>>> that the
>>>>>> CCIE
>>>>>> is turning into the MCSE (How it was and what it became) and
>>>>>> another
>>>>>> person
>>>>>> responded saying no it wasnt. I have to respectfully disagree
>>>>>> with the
>>>>>> person
>>>>>> who said it wasnt. I feel it is day by day. I believe that in a few
>>>>>> years the
>>>>>> CCIE will be exactly the same as an MCSE and Cisco certs will loose
>>>>>> their
>>>>>> stature. I base this off of what Cisco has recently done and what
>>>>>> Microsoft
>>>>>> tried to do to save their program. They came out with the "Masters"
>>>>>> Program
>>>>>> and then once you passed this you could go for the "Architect"
>>>>>> Program.
>>>>>> Now
>>>>>> with Cisco doing this CCA, I truly and saddened to say I really
>>>>>> feel
>>>>>> Cisco
>>>>>> will be right behind Microsoft soon. This is simply my observation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Smooth IE <smoothccie_at_googlemail.com>
>>>>>> To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>>>>>> Sent: Sun, Oct 25, 2009 6:32 am
>>>>>> Subject: Re: AM I READING RIGHT?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> WIthin 3 years all Cisco exams will be sub-contracted out to Vue,
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> format
>>>>>> won't be the same just it will have Cisco vetted Vue henchmen as
>>>>>> proctors.
>>>>>> This will simply menm that you will be able to sit the lab in more
>>>>>> locations, so yes it will be in a country near you :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Watch this speace....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2009/10/25 Rick Mur <rmur_at_ipexpert.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I also heard from a couple people that Cisco is looking at doing
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> lab
>>>>>>> exams at the VUE Professional centers (same as the CCDE). I can
>>>>>>> imagine
>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> it could save Cisco a lot of money for maintaining their own CCIE
>>>>>>> 'floors'.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rick Mur
>>>>>>> CCIE2 #21946 (R&S / Service Provider)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sr. Support Engineer IPexpert, Inc.
>>>>>>> URL: http://www.IPexpert.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 24 okt 2009, at 12:53, Iwan Hoogendoorn wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For now the Written exams are given @ Vue exam centers...
>>>>>>>> And the Lab is still @ Cisco ... but I don't know what the
>>>>>>>> future will
>>>>>>>> bring...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Iwan Hoogendoorn
>>>>>>>> CCIE #13084 (R&S / Security / SP)
>>>>>>>> Sr. Support Engineer IPexpert, Inc.
>>>>>>>> URL: http://www.IPexpert.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 5:09 PM, <armylegionmedic_at_aol.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So I got this email this morning from Cisco
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Effective October 19, 2009 Cisco CCIEB. Routing and Switching
>>>>>>>>> v4.0
>>>>>>>>> certification exams are now available in all VUE testing
>>>>>>>>> locations
>>>>>>>>> worldwide.
>>>>>>>>> Both the written and lab exams have been refreshed with new
>>>>>>>>> questions
>>>>>>>>> covering
>>>>>>>>> MPLS and VPN networking. The written exam includes new
>>>>>>>>> scenario-based
>>>>>>>>> questions. The lab exam now requires hands-on troubleshooting of
>>>>>>>>> preconfigured
>>>>>>>>> networks, in addition to configuration. Exam duration and
>>>>>>>>> pricing
>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>> remain
>>>>>>>>> the same, with the two-hour written exam at USD $350.00 and the
>>>>>>>>> eight-hour lab
>>>>>>>>> at USD $1400.00
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Am I reading it correctly that even the R&S Lab will be at Vue
>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>> well?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> James
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Iwan Hoogendoorn
>>>>>>>> CCIE #13084 (R&S / Security / SP)
>>>>>>>> Sr. Support Engineer IPexpert, Inc.
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