Re: CCIE Hall of Fame . . . . . Missing No. from mark jackson on 2009-10-24 (Ccielab archives 10/2009)

From: mark jackson <markcciejackson_at_gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 20:16:25 -0700

First I heard of it.

Mark Jackson, CCIE#4736

Sent from my iPhone
Please excuse spelling errors

On Oct 23, 2009, at 8:02 PM, "Tony Varriale"
<tvarriale_at_flamboyaninc.com> wrote:

> That sounds like a great story.
>
> Anyone here know some of the original Cisco peeps that can verify
> and tell
> the story of what went on here? This is the first time I've heard
> of this.
>
> tv
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
> Antonio Soares
> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 8:15 PM
> To: 'Ryan West'; 'mark jackson'
> Cc: 'Tony Varriale'; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: CCIE Hall of Fame . . . . . Missing No.
>
> He received the award from John Chambers and received the medail a few
> weeks/months later. It was a long time ago and he doesn't
> remember very well. But he thinks the dinner with John Chambers was in
> January (Networkers '93 Paris).
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Antonio Soares, CCIE #18473 (R&S)
> amsoares_at_netcabo.pt
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ryan West [mailto:rwest_at_zyedge.com]
> Sent: sabado, 24 de Outubro de 2009 1:39
> To: Antonio Soares; 'mark jackson'
> Cc: 'Tony Varriale'; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: CCIE Hall of Fame . . . . . Missing No.
>
> Antonio,
>
> Did Pedro retake the CCIE or was he awarded the number in hindsight?
>
> -ryan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
> Antonio Soares
> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 7:28 PM
> To: 'mark jackson'
> Cc: 'Tony Varriale'; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: CCIE Hall of Fame . . . . . Missing No.
>
> I was just showing the facts, nothing else. And just because someone
> asked
> me so.
>
> Did you pay attention to the little logo in the award ?
>
> http://www.ccie18473.net/Award.JPG
>
> The true is that the CCIE story we all know is not exactly like that.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Antonio Soares, CCIE #18473 (R&S)
> amsoares_at_netcabo.pt
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mark jackson [mailto:markcciejackson_at_gmail.com]
> Sent: sabado, 24 de Outubro de 2009 0:17
> To: Antonio Soares
> Cc: Tony Varriale; <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> Subject: Re: CCIE Hall of Fame . . . . . Missing No.
>
> Dude, excuse the harsh tone but it is clear as vodka to all of us
> that the
> number shows the actual certification.
> When Pedro got his 'award' it wasn't an actual certification program.
> That is why he got a later number.
> My bigger question is why your feathers are all ruffled over this guy
> Pedro??? Why isn't he out thumping his cause if he feels he
> deserves it? The history has been laid out, the numbers assigned and
> the
> jello is giggling and the butters is in the fridge.
> Put simply, take it offline and let's get back to the core reason we
> (the
> people who have achived our digits) are here...to help the
> up and coming achive. Not bark and bicker about 1993.
> Again, sorry to be blunt.
>
> Mark Jackson, CCIE#4736
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> Please excuse spelling errors
>
> On Oct 23, 2009, at 4:09 PM, "Antonio Soares" <amsoares_at_netcabo.pt>
> wrote:
>
>> 1178 is after 1025 but January is before July :)
>>
>> CCIE #1025 - STUART BIGGS: Certification Date 19-Jul-1993 CCIE
>> #1178 -
>> PEDRO REY: Certification Date 21-Jan-1993
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Antonio Soares, CCIE #18473 (R&S)
>> amsoares_at_netcabo.pt
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mark jackson [mailto:markcciejackson_at_gmail.com]
>> Sent: sexta-feira, 23 de Outubro de 2009 23:58
>> To: Antonio Soares
>> Cc: Tony Varriale; <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>> Subject: Re: CCIE Hall of Fame . . . . . Missing No.
>>
>> I guess I am still lost as to how Pedro is before Stuart???
>> Stuart's #
>> is 1025 and Pedro's is 1178. 1178 is after 1025. Unless I am off my
>> rocker, this isn't rocket-science.
>> Regardless of date, the numbers are plan to see.
>>
>>
>> Mark Jackson, CCIE#4736
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> Please excuse spelling errors
>>
>> On Oct 23, 2009, at 3:19 PM, "Antonio Soares" <amsoares_at_netcabo.pt>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ok, i have it. There were about 30 engineers in Europe that took the
>>> program and received this award:
>>>
>>> http://www.ccie18473.net/Award.JPG
>>>
>>> They received this from John Chambers in person in a dinner in
>>> Networks '93 (Paris, France).
>>>
>>> Then they reveived the medail:
>>>
>>> http://www.ccie18473.net/Medail.JPG
>>>
>>> These were the first CCIE's.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Antonio Soares, CCIE #18473 (R&S)
>>> amsoares_at_netcabo.pt
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>>> Of Tony Varriale
>>> Sent: sexta-feira, 23 de Outubro de 2009 21:47
>>> To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>>> Subject: RE: CCIE Hall of Fame . . . . . Missing No.
>>>
>>> Yeah...I see the June/July people. Your friend is 6 months before
>>> that.
>>> That doesn't make sense. Especially since this is the very first
>>> time I've ever heard of this.
>>>
>>> Let's get Pedro to verify his plaque and documentation from Cisco to
>>> see if they made an error. Or, produce names of people that took
>>> the
>>> class with him. Since you have access to that, you can focus there.
>>> I'm sure other people on this list will work on finding dates
>>> earlier
>>> than June/July.
>>>
>>> tv
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Antonio Soares [mailto:amsoares_at_netcabo.pt]
>>> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 3:35 PM
>>> To: 'Tony Varriale'; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>>> Subject: RE: CCIE Hall of Fame . . . . . Missing No.
>>>
>>> More examples:
>>>
>>> Name Certification Type Certification Number Track Certification
>>> Status Certification Date DAVIDE BIANCHINI CCIE 1095 Routing and
>>> Switching Re-certified 04-Jun-1993
>>>
>>> Name Certification Type Certification Number Track Certification
>>> Status Certification Date RENE VAN DER HAUW CCIE 1184 Routing and
>>> Switching Inactive 08-Jul-1993
>>>
>>> Based only on Mark's list:
>>>
>>> http://cciehof.weebly.com/
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Antonio Soares, CCIE #18473 (R&S)
>>> amsoares_at_netcabo.pt
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>>> Of Tony Varriale
>>> Sent: sexta-feira, 23 de Outubro de 2009 21:11
>>> To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>>> Subject: RE: CCIE Hall of Fame . . . . . Missing No.
>>>
>>> Yes, those are the facts.
>>>
>>> What you have stated previously is not.
>>>
>>> As a side note, the CCIEs just previous and just after your friend
>>> Pedro are all in July of 1993. Think they made a mistake and put
>>> Jan
>>> instead of Jul?
>>> I can't find anyone with a date previous to July.
>>>
>>> Since you work with him, did you see his plaque? Would it be too
>>> much to verify the date on it? Or, any names of people that went
>>> through the program in Jan with him so we can verify their numbers
>>> and dates?
>>>
>>> tv
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>>> Of Antonio Soares
>>> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 2:35 PM
>>> To: 'Tony Varriale'; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>>> Subject: RE: CCIE Hall of Fame . . . . . Missing No.
>>>
>>> Facts:
>>>
>>> CCIE Program Announcement: Sept. 27, 1993 CCIE #1025 - STUART
>>> BIGGS:
>>> Certification Date 19-Jul-1993 CCIE #1178 - PEDRO REY:
>>> Certification Date 21-Jan-1993
>>>
>>> Read as you want.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Antonio Soares, CCIE #18473 (R&S)
>>> amsoares_at_netcabo.pt
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>>> Of Tony Varriale
>>> Sent: sexta-feira, 23 de Outubro de 2009 20:08
>>> To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>>> Subject: RE: CCIE Hall of Fame . . . . . Missing No.
>>>
>>> You can disagree all you want. There was no official CCIE program
>>> in
>>> January of 1993. The history of the program has been hashed out and
>>> is fairly well known. The lab and Terry are the beginning of the
>>> official program. That is recognized by Cisco.
>>>
>>> You sent a link that stated the CCIE program was official in August
>>> of
>>> 1993 (which I think some of us knew already). That proves my point,
>>> not yours.
>>>
>>> Actually, your point is that you want your friend to be a CCIE
>>> before
>>> there was a CCIE program. That's great for you but it doesn't make
>>> it true. It is also reflected in his number.
>>>
>>> Congrats on your friend being in an early phase of what (may) became
>>> the program but don't misrepresent what you think may have happened.
>>>
>>> They weren't the first CCIEs. They may have been some of the first
>>> in a program that may have been a precursor to the CCIE program.
>>>
>>> tv
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Antonio Soares [mailto:amsoares_at_netcabo.pt]
>>> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 1:51 PM
>>> To: 'Tony Varriale'; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>>> Subject: RE: CCIE Hall of Fame . . . . . Missing No.
>>>
>>> I must disagree. They completed the program as the others:
>>>
>>> http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/1993/corp_092793.html
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Antonio Soares, CCIE #18473 (R&S)
>>> amsoares_at_netcabo.pt
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>>> Of Tony Varriale
>>> Sent: sexta-feira, 23 de Outubro de 2009 19:32
>>> To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>>> Subject: RE: CCIE Hall of Fame . . . . . Missing No.
>>>
>>> They aren't as they obviously did not take the lab exam in the
>>> official CCIE program.
>>>
>>> The people who took the official and recognized lab first are the
>>> first CCIEs in the world.
>>>
>>> tv
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>>> Of Antonio Soares
>>> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 12:33 PM
>>> To: 'Marc La Porte'
>>> Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>>> Subject: RE: CCIE Hall of Fame . . . . . Missing No.
>>>
>>> Hello Mark,
>>>
>>> Please add my colleague Pedro Rey to your list:
>>>
>>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>> Name Certification Type Certification Number Track
>>> Certification Status Certification Date
>>> PEDRO REY CCIE 1178
>>> Routing and Switching Suspended 21-Jan-1993
>>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>
>>> You can see that Pedro is an older CCIE than STUART BIGGS, TERRANCE
>>> SLATTERY and many more that have a lower CCIE Number.
>>>
>>> I was talking with Pedro about this and it seems in Europe some
>>> Engineers were awarded with the Cisco TAC Engineer Certification or
>>> something similar. The CCIE word came later so these guys got their
>>> certification renamed CCIE. Of course, their got higher numbers but
>>> they got their Certification first.
>>>
>>> So these are actually the first CCIE's in the World.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Antonio Soares, CCIE #18473 (R&S)
>>> amsoares_at_netcabo.pt
>>>
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