Re: Rent my CCIE

Yes, it's clear to most of us. However, those seeking to justify
their dirty deeds will debate you like lawyers on the meaning of all
of this (in spite of how plain the language clearly is). And once
they finally lose that argument, they will just claim that it's the
reseller's problem come audit time and nothing that they themselves as
CCIEs have to worry about. But Cisco is taking no prisoners on this
and I have absolutely no sympathy for anyone losing their digits for
their greed. Clearly the word hasn't gotten out very far, because I
still see people on LinkedIn groups and so forth staring conversations
within their groups looking for number rental opportunities. And
their real names are out there for the world to see. Even when people
don't use their real names when shopping around, who's to say that the
"reseller" contacting them in response isn't really a Cisco brand
protection lawyer wanting to find out exactly who they are and what
their number is?

But I suspect some of this is just plain and simple trolling. We have
members here who post under various pseudonyms and they love to stir
the pot and distract the list from technical and/or lab prep
discussion. Sick jollies for losers with no lives and nothing else to
contribute. This may very well be one such case...

On Oct 19, 2009, at 4:28 , Matthew Long wrote:

> The Cisco gold partner documentation spells things out quite clearly
>
> www.cisco.com/go/audit
>
> "All Cisco certified personnel requirements must be satisfied by a
> unique full-time, regular employee residing in the country where
> certification/specialization is sought and in good standing with
> Cisco."
>
> "The only exception to this is for CCIEs/CCDEs. Partners may employ
> full-time contracted employees (not to exceed 50 percent of the
> required
> number of CCIEs/CCDEs) to fulfill the CCIE/CCDE certified personnel
> requirements."
>
> "During the audit, the partner must provide evidence of full time
> employment for each individual playing a role in certifications and
> specializations."
>
>
> Note the use of "full time"
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
> Cisco League
> Sent: 19 October 2009 11:18
> To: Cisco certification
> Subject: Re: Rent my CCIE
>
> So If I understand correctly the CCIE number should/can ONLY be used
> in
> your
> country of employment.
> Do we have any literature from CISCO to support this.
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Scott M Vermillion <
> scott_ccie_list_at_it-ag.com> wrote:
>
>> Agreed. 100%.
>>
>>
>> On Oct 19, 2009, at 3:28 , Marko Milivojevic wrote:
>>
>> In fact, both, as both are diminishing the value of the
> certification.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 09:20, Scott M Vermillion
>>> <scott_ccie_list_at_it-ag.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes.
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 19, 2009, at 3:14 , Cisco League wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Swift action against whom? CCIE or the partner company?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 2:04 AM, Scott M Vermillion <
>>>>> scott_ccie_list_at_it-ag.com
>>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>> Frog, please accept my sincere apologies if memory is failing me
>>>>> here, but wasn't it you who said he was going to open a support
> case
>>>>> with Cisco to get a definitive answer on this subject and then
>>>>> post
>>>>> back to the group? I know that someone did a handful of months
> back
>>>>> but then did not, in fact, follow up with any results. I
> attributed
>>>>> that to the circulation around that same time of an article where
>>>>> Cisco discussed stripping the digits of anyone knowingly engaging
> in
>>>>> this sort of arrangement - without regard for any border
>>>>> considerations.
>>>>>
>>>>> If anyone has direct knowledge of any individual or reseller
>>>>> cheating the system in this way, you are highly encouraged to
> report
>>>>> it to the same e-mail address that you report NDA violations to (
>>>>> tipline_at_cisco.com
>>>>> ). Cisco's legal team/brand protection group *will* take swift
>>>>> and
>>>>> decisive action.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 18, 2009, at 4:49 , Rick Mur wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Even in your own country it's totally illegal and you will loose
>>>>> your digits!!
>>>>> You have to work for a partner to use your CCIE for their partner
>>>>> status.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Rick Mur
>>>>> CCIE2 #21946 (R&S / Service Provider)
>>>>> Sr. Support Engineer IPexpert, Inc.
>>>>> URL: http://www.IPexpert.com
>>>>>
>>>>> On 18 okt 2009, at 06:14, Radioactive Frog wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Cross boarder deal is not allowed anymore - in other words you can
>>>>> rent your
>>>>> cert within the country where you are living but you can't rent it
>>>>> out to
>>>>> any other country.
>>>>> Of course if you have dual-citizenship you can ! <-- Exception
>>>>>
>>>>> Well done Cisco!
>>>>>
>>>>> -frog
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 7:28 AM, Iwan Hoogendoorn
>>>>> <iwan_at_ipexpert.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> JC,
>>>>>
>>>>> Why do you want to risk loosing your number doing this?
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Iwan Hoogendoorn
>>>>> CCIE #13084 (R&S / Security / SP)
>>>>> Sr. Support Engineer IPexpert, Inc.
>>>>> URL: http://www.IPexpert.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 11:37 AM, <jctracender_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Team:
>>>>>
>>>>> I am looking forward to rent my ccie to a cisco partner, if you
>>>>> are
>>>>> interested
>>>>> please unicast me @ jctracender at gmail .com
>>>>>
>>>>> BR
>>>>> /JC
>>>>> CCIE #Undisclosed (RS)
>>>>>
>>>>>
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