RE: OT - Version 4 Scoring

Very correct Nadeem. Layer 2 troubleshooting will be in the
configuration portion of the new lab exam (per Maurilio). The
troubleshooting portion of the new exam will focus on Layer 3 and above
issues. The Cisco 360 developers already have the inside track on this.
If you're looking to study for the new V4 lab exam, I'd really suggest
using Cisco 360 (even if you don't purchase it from CCBOOTCAMP and you
go to a different 360 provider). One of the huge goals of the Cisco 360
Learning Program is stream-lining the learning process, even more so for
V4, in an effort to remove 6 months or so from other study methods
(check the slides in the preso we did that Rick presented). I've cc'd
Rick on this email, and you are more than welcome to contact him as well
with any direct questions regarding Cisco 360's learning/training
methodology.

thanks,
Brad Ellis
CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
CCSI# 30482
CEO / President
CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Solutions Partner (CLSP)
Email: brad_at_ccbootcamp.com
Toll Free: 877-654-2243
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-----Original Message-----
From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Nadeem Rafi
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:25 AM
To: Anthony Sequeira
Cc: Charles.Henson_at_regions.com; Cisco certification
Subject: Re: OT - Version 4 Scoring

Hi anthony i will recommend you to watch ccbootcamp video this time
:)Murilio
said clearly that there will be no layer two trouble tickets in trouble
shooting section. Second one trouble ticket will not affect any other
trouble ticket, this is main reason to have so many routers to make
trouble
tickets independent of each other.

Best Regards,

On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Anthony Sequeira <asequeira_at_ine.com>
wrote:

> While we *only* feature 13 devices in our Troubleshooting materials,
we
> ensure the candidate is tested at all possible levels. For example, in
the
> new 6-Day R&S Bootcamp, Trouble Tickets encompass issues like Layer 2,
Layer
> 3 IGP Routing, Layer 3 EGP Routing, and Multicast troubleshooting.
>
> Also remember, just because Cisco might present 20 devices in the
overall
> section - the Trouble Tickets will certainly not incorporate all of
the
> devices at once. In fact, with students receiving 10 to 12 Trouble
Tickets,
> it is quite clear that these are issues that are rather isolated
throughout
> the topology.
>
> Also worth mention is the fact that Layer 2/3 switch troubleshooting
must
> still be isolated to the Configuration section now since the emulator
does
> not support switches.
>
> Warmest Regards,
>
> Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626
> http://www.INE.com
>
> Test your Core Knowledge today!
> Q: What PIM mode was invented by Cisco for Auto-RP functionality?
> A: PIM SParse-Dense-Mode
> More Info:
>
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/ios/ipmulti/configuration/guide/imc_tech
_oview_ps6350_TSD_Products_Configuration_Guide_Chapter.html#wp1054989
>
>
>
> On Oct 8, 2009, at 10:04 AM, Charles.Henson_at_regions.com wrote:
>
> WOW. So if that is the case, it makes things interesting. How do
potential
>> candidates emulate that environment for studies? Realistically how
far
>> down
>> could you scale it and still get the same benefit for the
troubleshooting
>> section? How do vendors like IE, IPE, CCBootcamp, etc. come up with
>> workbooks and training that emulates that? Again, we're a bit ahead
of the
>> game here.....
>>
>> I have also pushed 20 devices on dynamips with an older dual 3.2 HP
server
>> and 6gb of memory that I had available for testing. For the fun of
it, I
>> have reached out this morning to the server team to ask if I can
"borrow"
>> one of their new fat servers for a day to see how far I can push
dynamips.
>> 8 way cores with 64gb of memory are the norm. It's not something
every
>> candidate can pick up at the pawn shop but I just want to see how far
>> dynamips will go.
>>
>> Has anyone "pushed" dynamips before to see what kind of cap it may or
may
>> not have?
>>
>> Charles Henson
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: "Tyson Scott" <tscott_at_ipexpert.com>
>>
>> To: "'Peter Dsouza \(petdsouz\)'" <petdsouz_at_cisco.com>, <
>> Charles.Henson_at_regions.com>
>>
>> Cc: "'Brad Ellis'" <brad_at_ccbootcamp.com>, <
>> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>, "'Justin Mitchell'" <jgmitchell_at_gmail.com>,
>> "'Nathan
>> Richie'" <nathanr_at_boice.net>, <nobody_at_groupstudy.com>,
>> "'Nadeem Rafi'" <nrafia_at_gmail.com>
>>
>> Date: 10/08/2009 12:37 AM
>>
>> Subject: RE: OT - Version 4 Scoring
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Peter,
>>
>> There is talk that the troubleshooting portion of the lab could
consist of
>> up to 30 routers for a given troubleshooting lab. I would like to
see
>> anyone get 30 routers running stable on their workstation with
Dynamips
>> supporting the latest 12.4T code and the right memory requirements.
I can
>> get 20 routers on my 8 core 16 GB memory no problem but 30 is pushing
it
>> for
>> sure. And how many people have a system like that sitting around.
>>
>> On the same system running IOU I could probably run close to 100
routers
>> without the blink of an eye.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Tyson Scott - CCIE #13513 R&S, Security, and SP
>> Technical Instructor - IPexpert, Inc.
>>
>> Telephone: +1.810.326.1444
>> Cell: +1.248.504.7309
>> Fax: +1.810.454.0130
>> Mailto: tscott_at_ipexpert.com
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Peter Dsouza (petdsouz) [mailto:petdsouz_at_cisco.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 1:08 AM
>> To: Charles.Henson_at_regions.com; Tyson Scott
>> Cc: Brad Ellis; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com; Justin Mitchell; Nathan
Richie;
>> nobody_at_groupstudy.com; Nadeem Rafi
>> Subject: RE: OT - Version 4 Scoring
>>
>> There is no need to get your hands on IOU if you've Dynamips. Its
just
>> an internal Cisco router emulator. Supported on Linux and Sun,
suports
>> Ethernet (no FE or GE), ATM and serial interfaces.
>>
>> cheers
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
Of
>> Charles.Henson_at_regions.com
>> Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 7:23 AM
>> To: Tyson Scott
>> Cc: 'Brad Ellis'; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com; 'Justin Mitchell'; 'Nathan
>> Richie'; nobody_at_groupstudy.com; 'Nadeem Rafi'
>> Subject: RE: OT - Version 4 Scoring
>>
>> Thanks for the education everyone. Not being a Cisco insider I had
>> always
>> assumed they developed and played on virtual gear but didn't know the
>> name
>> or capability. Yeah, I assumed we would not have direct access to
>> anything
>> except terminals so it would be transparent to us.
>>
>> Now where do we get the IOU ISO? :)
>>
>> Charles Henson
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: "Tyson Scott" <tscott_at_ipexpert.com>
>>
>>
>>
>> To: <Charles.Henson_at_regions.com>, "'Justin Mitchell'"
>> <jgmitchell_at_gmail.com>
>>
>>
>> Cc: "'Brad Ellis'" <brad_at_ccbootcamp.com>,
>> <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>, "'Nathan Richie'" <nathanr_at_boice.net>,
>>
>> <nobody_at_groupstudy.com>, "'Nadeem Rafi'"
>> <nrafia_at_gmail.com>
>>
>>
>>
>> Date: 10/07/2009 07:19 PM
>>
>>
>>
>> Subject: RE: OT - Version 4 Scoring
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Charles,
>>
>> IOU is actually more stable than dynamips but from your perspective
you
>> won't know the difference as you will just have terminal access to
the
>> routers as you would other devices in the lab.
>>
>> IOU has been around for a long time. Originally it was only
supported
>> on
>> SUN workstations with a SPARC processor but within the last few years
it
>> has
>> migrated to mostly Linux and was always a very good tool when I
worked
>> for
>> Advanced Services.
>>
>> IOU has always been a tightly kept secret of Cisco's. Not sure if
they
>> will
>> release it to learning partners as we were never allowed to show it
to
>> our
>> customers.
>>
>> I would love to get my hands on it as it is better than dynamips and
>> more
>> efficient. But thank heavens for dynamips right for the rest of us.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Tyson Scott - CCIE #13513 R&S, Security, and SP
>> Technical Instructor - IPexpert, Inc.
>>
>> Telephone: +1.810.326.1444
>> Cell: +1.248.504.7309
>> Fax: +1.810.454.0130
>> Mailto: tscott_at_ipexpert.com
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
Of
>> Charles.Henson_at_regions.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 5:31 PM
>> To: Justin Mitchell
>> Cc: Brad Ellis; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com; Nathan Richie;
>> nobody_at_groupstudy.com; Nadeem Rafi
>> Subject: Re: OT - Version 4 Scoring
>>
>> I wasn't very clear. I am very familiar with dynamips/GNS3. I was
just
>> curious how close IOU would look/feel to the GNS3 that many of us are
>> used
>> to. More than likely, we'll just get terminal windows and won't know
the
>> difference........until it crashes.... :)
>>
>> Charles Henson
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Justin Mitchell <jgmitchell_at_gmail.com>
>>
>>
>>
>> To: Charles.Henson_at_regions.com
>>
>>
>>
>> Cc: Brad Ellis <brad_at_ccbootcamp.com>,
ccielab_at_groupstudy.com,
>> Nathan Richie <nathanr_at_boice.net>, nobody_at_groupstudy.com,
>> Nadeem Rafi <nrafia_at_gmail.com>
>>
>>
>>
>> Date: 10/07/2009 03:59 PM
>>
>>
>>
>> Subject: Re: OT - Version 4 Scoring
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> No, GNS3 is a whole separate project used Dynamips and Dynagen. GNS3
>> is actually just a GUI for Dynamips/Dynagen to make it easier to use.
>> Dynamips is a hardware emulator.
>>
>> Justin G. Mitchell
>> e: jgmitchell_at_gmail.com | skype: justin.g.mitchell
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:50 PM, <Charles.Henson_at_regions.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Just finished watching. Thanks for the link Brad.
>>>
>>> Does IOU = GNS3?
>>>
>>> Charles Henson
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: "Brad Ellis" <brad_at_ccbootcamp.com>
>>>
>>> To: "Nadeem Rafi" <nrafia_at_gmail.com>
>>>
>>> Cc: "Nathan Richie" <nathanr_at_boice.net>,
>>>
>> <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>>
>>>
>>> Date: 10/07/2009 12:21 PM
>>>
>>> Subject: RE: OT - Version 4 Scoring
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Right here:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
https://ciscosales.webex.com/ciscosales/lsr.php?AT=pb&SP=EC&rID=40520377
>>
>>> &rKey=4a695ccb75726703
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>>
>>> Brad Ellis
>>>
>>> CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
>>>
>>> CCSI# 30482
>>>
>>> CEO / President
>>>
>>> CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Solutions Partner (CLSP)
>>>
>>> Email: brad_at_ccbootcamp.com
>>>
>>> Toll Free: 877-654-2243
>>>
>>> International: +1-702-968-5100
>>>
>>> Skype: skype:ccbootcamp?call
>>>
>>> FAX: +1-702-446-8012
>>>
>>> YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
>>>
>>> Training And Remote Racks: http://www.ccbootcamp.com
>>> <http://www.ccbootcamp.com/>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Nadeem Rafi [mailto:nrafia_at_gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 9:22 AM
>>> To: Brad Ellis
>>> Cc: Nathan Richie; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>>> Subject: Re: OT - Version 4 Scoring
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> i have missed the webnar.. how to get recording?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:15 PM, Brad Ellis <brad_at_ccbootcamp.com>
>>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Nathan.
>>>
>>> As you probably saw in the webinar yesterday, the new exam will be
>>> comprised of three different separate sections:
>>>
>>> Core Knowledge (OEQ)
>>> Troubleshooting
>>> Configuration
>>>
>>> You must pass EACH individual section in order to pass the lab exam.
>>>
>> In
>>
>>> other words, if you fail a single section, then you fail the exam.
One
>>> of the most interesting items that was discussed during the event
>>> yesterday is the direction Cisco is heading with using virtual
>>> equipment. The ENTIRE troubleshooting portion of the new lab exam
will
>>> be done on Cisco IOU (software emulator). This gives the lab exam
team
>>> the ability to conjure up a larger network very easily. Fun stuff!
>>>
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>> Brad Ellis
>>> CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
>>> CCSI# 30482
>>> CEO / President
>>> CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Solutions Partner (CLSP)
>>> Email: brad_at_ccbootcamp.com
>>> Toll Free: 877-654-2243
>>> International: +1-702-968-5100
>>> Skype: skype:ccbootcamp?call
>>> FAX: +1-702-446-8012
>>> YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
>>> Training And Remote Racks: http://www.ccbootcamp.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Nathan Richie [mailto:nathanr_at_boice.net]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 8:49 PM
>>> To: Brad Ellis; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>>> Subject: RE: OT - Version 4 Scoring
>>>
>>> Cool, thanks Brad
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Brad Ellis [mailto:brad_at_ccbootcamp.com]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:35 PM
>>> To: Nathan Richie; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>>> Subject: RE: OT - Version 4 Scoring
>>>
>>> Nathan,
>>>
>>> Hi! I had dinner with Maurilio tonight (and Russ White). Maurilio
did
>>> confirm that he is going to discuss the details of the score
>>> requirements in the webinar next week. Should be interesting to hear
>>> people's feedback... :)
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>> Brad Ellis
>>> CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
>>> CCSI# 30482
>>> CEO / President
>>> CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Solutions Partner (CLSP)
>>> Email: brad_at_ccbootcamp.com
>>> Toll Free: 877-654-2243
>>> International: +1-702-968-5100
>>> Skype: skype:ccbootcamp?call
>>> FAX: +1-702-446-8012
>>> YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
>>> Training And Remote Racks: http://www.ccbootcamp.com
>>> CCIE Webinar: http://www.ccbootcamp.com/cciewebex.html
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>>>
>> Of
>>
>>> Nathan Richie
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:51 AM
>>> To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>>> Subject: OT - Version 4 Scoring
>>>
>>> Does anybody know if any more has been said about the scoring of the
>>> version 4
>>> lab? I have heard and read that you will need 80 points, but I was
>>> wondering
>>> if Cisco has or if anybody thinks Cisco will provide any more detail
>>> than
>>> that.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Nathan Richie
>>>
>>>
>>> Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
Received on Thu Oct 08 2009 - 08:35:50 ART