Re: OT - Version 4 Scoring from Charles.Henson_at_regions.com on 2009-10-08 (Ccielab archives 10/2009)

From: <Charles.Henson_at_regions.com>
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 10:32:38 -0500

Nadeem,
I watched the video and caught the "non-stacked" ticket statement but
I missed the "no layer 2" statement. Thanks for pointing that out.

Charles Henson

  From: Nadeem Rafi <nrafia_at_gmail.com>

  To: Anthony Sequeira <asequeira_at_ine.com>

  Cc: Charles.Henson_at_regions.com, Cisco certification <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>

  Date: 10/08/2009 10:25 AM

  Subject: Re: OT - Version 4 Scoring

Hi anthony i will recommend you to watch ccbootcamp video this time :)
Murilio said clearly that there will be no layer two trouble tickets in
trouble shooting section. Second one trouble ticket will not affect any
other trouble ticket, this is main reason to have so many routers to make
trouble tickets independent of each other.

Best Regards,

On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Anthony Sequeira <asequeira_at_ine.com> wrote:
  While we *only* feature 13 devices in our Troubleshooting materials, we
  ensure the candidate is tested at all possible levels. For example, in
  the new 6-Day R&S Bootcamp, Trouble Tickets encompass issues like Layer
  2, Layer 3 IGP Routing, Layer 3 EGP Routing, and Multicast
  troubleshooting.

  Also remember, just because Cisco might present 20 devices in the overall
  section - the Trouble Tickets will certainly not incorporate all of the
  devices at once. In fact, with students receiving 10 to 12 Trouble
  Tickets, it is quite clear that these are issues that are rather isolated
  throughout the topology.

  Also worth mention is the fact that Layer 2/3 switch troubleshooting must
  still be isolated to the Configuration section now since the emulator
  does not support switches.

Warmest Regards,

Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626
http://www.INE.com

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On Oct 8, 2009, at 10:04 AM, Charles.Henson_at_regions.com wrote:

   WOW. So if that is the case, it makes things interesting. How do
   potential
   candidates emulate that environment for studies? Realistically how far
   down
   could you scale it and still get the same benefit for the
   troubleshooting
   section? How do vendors like IE, IPE, CCBootcamp, etc. come up with
   workbooks and training that emulates that? Again, we're a bit ahead of
   the
   game here.....

   I have also pushed 20 devices on dynamips with an older dual 3.2 HP
   server
   and 6gb of memory that I had available for testing. For the fun of it, I
   have reached out this morning to the server team to ask if I can
   "borrow"
   one of their new fat servers for a day to see how far I can push
   dynamips.
   8 way cores with 64gb of memory are the norm. It's not something every
   candidate can pick up at the pawn shop but I just want to see how far
   dynamips will go.

   Has anyone "pushed" dynamips before to see what kind of cap it may or
   may
   not have?

   Charles Henson From: "Tyson Scott" <tscott_at_ipexpert.com
> To: "'Peter Dsouza \(petdsouz\)'" <petdsouz_at_cisco.com>, <
   Charles.Henson_at_regions.com> Cc: "'Brad Ellis'" <
   brad_at_ccbootcamp.com>, <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>, "'Justin Mitchell'" <
   jgmitchell_at_gmail.com>, "'Nathan Richie'" <nathanr_at_boice.net>,
   <nobody_at_groupstudy.com>, "'Nadeem Rafi'" <nrafia_at_gmail.com> Date:
   10/08/2009 12:37 AM Subject: RE: OT - Version 4 Scoring

Peter,

   There is talk that the troubleshooting portion of the lab could consist
   of
   up to 30 routers for a given troubleshooting lab. I would like to see
   anyone get 30 routers running stable on their workstation with Dynamips
   supporting the latest 12.4T code and the right memory requirements. I
   can
   get 20 routers on my 8 core 16 GB memory no problem but 30 is pushing it
   for
   sure. And how many people have a system like that sitting around.

On the same system running IOU I could probably run close to 100 routers
without the blink of an eye.

Regards,

Tyson Scott - CCIE #13513 R&S, Security, and SP
Technical Instructor - IPexpert, Inc.

   Telephone: +1.810.326.1444
   Cell: +1.248.504.7309
   Fax: +1.810.454.0130
   Mailto: tscott_at_ipexpert.com

   -----Original Message-----
   From: Peter Dsouza (petdsouz) [mailto:petdsouz_at_cisco.com]
   Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 1:08 AM
   To: Charles.Henson_at_regions.com; Tyson Scott
   Cc: Brad Ellis; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com; Justin Mitchell; Nathan Richie;
   nobody_at_groupstudy.com; Nadeem Rafi
   Subject: RE: OT - Version 4 Scoring

   There is no need to get your hands on IOU if you've Dynamips. Its just
   an internal Cisco router emulator. Supported on Linux and Sun, suports
   Ethernet (no FE or GE), ATM and serial interfaces.

cheers

   -----Original Message-----
   From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
   Charles.Henson_at_regions.com
   Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 7:23 AM
   To: Tyson Scott
   Cc: 'Brad Ellis'; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com; 'Justin Mitchell'; 'Nathan
   Richie'; nobody_at_groupstudy.com; 'Nadeem Rafi'
   Subject: RE: OT - Version 4 Scoring

   Thanks for the education everyone. Not being a Cisco insider I had
   always
   assumed they developed and played on virtual gear but didn't know the
   name
   or capability. Yeah, I assumed we would not have direct access to
   anything
   except terminals so it would be transparent to us.

Now where do we get the IOU ISO? :)

   Charles Henson From: "Tyson Scott" <tscott_at_ipexpert.com
> To: <Charles.Henson_at_regions.com>, "'Justin Mitchell'"
   <jgmitchell_at_gmail.com> Cc: "'Brad Ellis'" <brad_at_ccbootcamp.com>,
   <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>, "'Nathan Richie'" <nathanr_at_boice.net
>, <nobody_at_groupstudy.com>, "'Nadeem Rafi'"
   <nrafia_at_gmail.com> Date: 10/07/2009 07:19 PM Subject: RE: OT -
   Version 4 Scoring

Charles,

   IOU is actually more stable than dynamips but from your perspective you
   won't know the difference as you will just have terminal access to the
   routers as you would other devices in the lab.

   IOU has been around for a long time. Originally it was only supported
   on
   SUN workstations with a SPARC processor but within the last few years it
   has
   migrated to mostly Linux and was always a very good tool when I worked
   for
   Advanced Services.

   IOU has always been a tightly kept secret of Cisco's. Not sure if they
   will
   release it to learning partners as we were never allowed to show it to
   our
   customers.

   I would love to get my hands on it as it is better than dynamips and
   more
   efficient. But thank heavens for dynamips right for the rest of us.

Regards,

Tyson Scott - CCIE #13513 R&S, Security, and SP
Technical Instructor - IPexpert, Inc.

   Telephone: +1.810.326.1444
   Cell: +1.248.504.7309
   Fax: +1.810.454.0130
   Mailto: tscott_at_ipexpert.com

   -----Original Message-----
   From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
   Charles.Henson_at_regions.com
   Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 5:31 PM
   To: Justin Mitchell
   Cc: Brad Ellis; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com; Nathan Richie;
   nobody_at_groupstudy.com; Nadeem Rafi
   Subject: Re: OT - Version 4 Scoring

   I wasn't very clear. I am very familiar with dynamips/GNS3. I was just
   curious how close IOU would look/feel to the GNS3 that many of us are
   used
   to. More than likely, we'll just get terminal windows and won't know the
   difference........until it crashes.... :)

Charles Henson From: Justin Mitchell <jgmitchell_at_gmail.com
> To: Charles.Henson_at_regions.com

    Cc: Brad Ellis <brad_at_ccbootcamp.com>, ccielab_at_groupstudy.com,
   Nathan Richie <nathanr_at_boice.net>, nobody_at_groupstudy.com,
   Nadeem Rafi <nrafia_at_gmail.com> Date: 10/07/2009 03:59
   PM Subject: Re: OT - Version 4 Scoring

   No, GNS3 is a whole separate project used Dynamips and Dynagen. GNS3
   is actually just a GUI for Dynamips/Dynagen to make it easier to use.
   Dynamips is a hardware emulator.

Justin G. Mitchell
e: jgmitchell_at_gmail.com | skype: justin.g.mitchell

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:50 PM, <Charles.Henson_at_regions.com> wrote:
Just finished watching. Thanks for the link Brad.

Does IOU = GNS3?

Charles Henson

From: "Brad Ellis" <brad_at_ccbootcamp.com>

To: "Nadeem Rafi" <nrafia_at_gmail.com>

Cc: "Nathan Richie" <nathanr_at_boice.net>,
<ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>

Date: 10/07/2009 12:21 PM

Subject: RE: OT - Version 4 Scoring

Right here:

https://ciscosales.webex.com/ciscosales/lsr.php?AT=pb&SP=EC&rID=40520377
&rKey=4a695ccb75726703

thanks,

Brad Ellis

CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)

CCSI# 30482

CEO / President

CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Solutions Partner (CLSP)

Email: brad_at_ccbootcamp.com

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     From: Nadeem Rafi [mailto:nrafia_at_gmail.com]
     Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 9:22 AM
     To: Brad Ellis
     Cc: Nathan Richie; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
     Subject: Re: OT - Version 4 Scoring

i have missed the webnar.. how to get recording?

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:15 PM, Brad Ellis <brad_at_ccbootcamp.com>
wrote:

Nathan.

As you probably saw in the webinar yesterday, the new exam will be
comprised of three different separate sections:

     Core Knowledge (OEQ)
     Troubleshooting
     Configuration

     You must pass EACH individual section in order to pass the lab exam.
   In
     other words, if you fail a single section, then you fail the exam. One
     of the most interesting items that was discussed during the event
     yesterday is the direction Cisco is heading with using virtual
     equipment. The ENTIRE troubleshooting portion of the new lab exam will
     be done on Cisco IOU (software emulator). This gives the lab exam team
     the ability to conjure up a larger network very easily. Fun stuff!

     thanks,
     Brad Ellis
     CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
     CCSI# 30482
     CEO / President
     CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Solutions Partner (CLSP)
     Email: brad_at_ccbootcamp.com
     Toll Free: 877-654-2243
     International: +1-702-968-5100
     Skype: skype:ccbootcamp?call
     FAX: +1-702-446-8012
     YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
     Training And Remote Racks: http://www.ccbootcamp.com

     -----Original Message-----
     From: Nathan Richie [mailto:nathanr_at_boice.net]
     Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 8:49 PM
     To: Brad Ellis; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
     Subject: RE: OT - Version 4 Scoring

Cool, thanks Brad

     -----Original Message-----
     From: Brad Ellis [mailto:brad_at_ccbootcamp.com]
     Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:35 PM
     To: Nathan Richie; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
     Subject: RE: OT - Version 4 Scoring

Nathan,

     Hi! I had dinner with Maurilio tonight (and Russ White). Maurilio did
     confirm that he is going to discuss the details of the score
     requirements in the webinar next week. Should be interesting to hear
     people's feedback... :)

     -----Original Message-----
     From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
   Of
     Nathan Richie
     Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:51 AM
     To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
     Subject: OT - Version 4 Scoring

     Does anybody know if any more has been said about the scoring of the
     version 4
     lab? I have heard and read that you will need 80 points, but I was
     wondering
     if Cisco has or if anybody thinks Cisco will provide any more detail
     than
     that.

Regards,

Nathan Richie

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