Re: cisco lab safe

Well M$ now has a Masters program for upwards of 20K for the cert. Maybe
Cisco is trying to get the CCIE into that range.

On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 7:16 PM, Wayne Lawson <groupstudy_at_ipexpert.com>wrote:

> Hmmmm....
>
> I guess we're seeing the CCIE being converted into the "MCSE of the
> 90s"....Looks like you can now "buy" your CCIE number if you purchase
> training from Cisco (afterall - it's all about $$ anyway - right! ;-)....I
> project the CCIE will be massively devalued within the next 2 years.
>
> Regards,
>
> Wayne A. Lawson II - CCIE #5244
> Founder & President - IPexpert, Inc.
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> On Sep 15, 2009, at 7:03 PM, "Brad Ellis" <brad_at_ccbootcamp.com> wrote:
>
> Scott is comparing a grey-market program to the Cisco authorized 360
>> learning program. There are some major changes coming to the CCIE lab
>> exam. The Cisco 360 Program already has the "inside scoop" on the
>> changes coming down the pipe. The grey market folks don't have that. If
>> you want to prepare for your lab exam properly, it's going to become
>> more and more apparent that the 360 program is the way to go. (One of
>> the big reasons why we joined the program!)
>>
>> This announcement is only one of many things to come. There will be more
>> and more differentiators that keep making the Cisco 360 Learning Program
>> increasingly advantageous as the best option for CCIE training over grey
>> market competition.
>>
>> thanks,
>> Brad Ellis
>> CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
>> CCSI# 30482
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>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> Scott Morris
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 3:41 PM
>> To: armylegionmedic_at_aol.com
>> Cc: darkfiber08_at_gmail.com; dane.newman_at_gmail.com; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>> Subject: Re: cisco lab safe
>>
>> Excellent question on that. The CCIE Essentials, though, is exactly
>> that from them, the workbooks + videos. So I was putting out the
>> option. It simply happened to be the least expensive option from us.
>>
>> By the way, according to
>> https://cisco.hosted.jivesoftware.com/docs/DOC-5857, I was incorrect on
>> my math. You must take ALL FOUR (4 x 349 = $1,400) AND score at least
>> 80% on one of them. So their minimum investment just became $3,995 +
>> $1,400 = $5,395.
>>
>> Slice it however you want. It's marketing, and I most certainly won't
>> fault anyone for that! As always, people are capable of making their
>> own decisions on things! Just do the math.
>>
>> I'm not downplaying the program itself. I know too many of the people
>> involved and respect their capabilities all around. Not all vendors
>> selling the 360 will be the same, however, which puts a kludge into
>> things... but as long as you know what you're getting into, you are
>> welcome to select whichever flavor of apple works best for you! Some
>> may be more expensive than others despite the pretty sign next to them!
>>
>> ;)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,
>>
>> JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
>>
>> JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
>>
>> evil_at_ine.com
>>
>>
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>>
>> Knowledge is power.
>>
>> Power corrupts.
>>
>> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
>>
>>
>>
>> armylegionmedic_at_aol.com wrote:
>>
>>> I mean, maybe this is just me, but the only price that was cheap
>>> enough to beat Cisco's deal was a CoD and Workkooks, so we arent
>>> really comparing Apples to Apples are we? If we were to look apples to
>>> apples or maybe like a Granny Smith vs. Mt. Washington Apple, I think
>>> that the Cisco 360 offer is looking pretty tempting. The only part
>>> that I would have to really say competes is the free re-sits. This is
>>> all IMO, but maybe I am misreading something.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Dark Fiber <darkfiber08_at_gmail.com>
>>> To: Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com>
>>> Cc: Dane Newman <dane.newman_at_gmail.com>; Cisco certification
>>> <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>>> Sent: Tue, Sep 15, 2009 3:25 pm
>>> Subject: Re: cisco lab safe
>>>
>>> If I read that right $3500 and the price of a mock lab might be worth
>>>
>> it for
>>
>>> a $1400 lab voucher if you fail. Anyone else get the same or did I
>>>
>> misread
>>
>>> it?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Ok.... So let's do some math on this...
>>>>
>>>> CIERS1 = $3,995
>>>> CIERS2 = $4,500
>>>> Essentials = $4,550
>>>>
>>>> Plus an Assessment lab (minimum 1, possibly more) = $349
>>>>
>>>> So at a BARE MINIMUM you are looking at $3,995 + $349 = $4,345 that
>>>>
>>> you
>>
>>> have to spend in order to get that.
>>>>
>>>> For INE's pricing, a bootcamp costs $2,995 (not including any
>>>> discounts). The mock lab workshop is $3,995 again not counting
>>>> discounts. The lab workbook set + CoD bundle = $825 + 1,695 or
>>>>
>>> $2,520
>>
>>> (not including any discounts). A mock lab (minimum 1, possibly
>>>>
>>> more) =
>>
>>> $129.
>>>>
>>>> So on price point alone, you have a minimum comparable spending (not
>>>> including discounts) of $2,649. That's a grand difference there of
>>>> $1,696, so you can spring for another lab, not need
>>>>
>>> pre-qualification
>>
>>> AND save an extra $296 to use towards your
>>>>
>>> airfare/hotel/food/whatever....
>>
>>>
>>>> Oh yeah, and you don't get re-sits in the 360 program, you can
>>>>
>>> attend
>>
>>> our classes as many times as you'd like to and whenever you'd like
>>>>
>>> to.
>>
>>>
>>>> So I'm really thinking that this kind of promotion alone is not
>>>>
>>> going to
>>
>>> swing someone one way or the other, at least unless they don't do
>>>>
>>> math.
>>
>>> But I'm sure if you work with our sales department, we would be more
>>>> than happy to charge you more money and simply spring for a lab
>>>>
>>> attempt
>>
>>> for you based on certain criteria and select vendors only.
>>>>
>>>> If you have any questions on this, feel free to contact me offline,
>>>>
>>> I'd
>>
>>> be more than happy to cover options with you. I don't see a point
>>>>
>>> of
>>
>>> dragging this on and on through a technical list (e.g. non-marketing
>>>>
>>> list).
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider)
>>>>
>>> #4713,
>>
>>>
>>>> JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
>>>>
>>>> JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
>>>>
>>>> evil_at_ine.com
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Knowledge is power.
>>>>
>>>> Power corrupts.
>>>>
>>>> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dane Newman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I got the following email below from cisco. All I can say is imo
>>>>>
>>>> this
>>
>>> will
>>>>
>>>>> make it harder on 3rd party vendors sadly that do offer quality
>>>>>
>>>> training.
>>
>>> The chance to retake the lab for free is worth its weight in gold
>>>>>
>>>> for all
>>
>>> the stress relief it can bring.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dane
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cisco Lab Safe Promotion: Protect Your Training Investment
>>>>> Learning_at_Cisco is pleased to introduce the Cisco Lab Safe
>>>>>
>>>> promotion. The
>>
>>> Cisco Lab Safe promotion allows qualifying Cisco. 360 Learning
>>>>>
>>>> Program
>>
>>> for
>>>>
>>>>> CCIE. Routing & Switching students who don't pass their first CCIE
>>>>>
>>>> lab
>>
>>> exam
>>>>
>>>>> attempt, to retake the CCIE lab exam (a $1,400 US Value) at no
>>>>>
>>>> additional
>>
>>> cost.
>>>>> The Cisco 360 Learning Program for R&S guides engineers who have
>>>>>
>>>> three to
>>
>>> five years of networking experience through an effective,
>>>>>
>>>> job-relevant,
>>
>>> and
>>>>
>>>>> proven program to build expert-level skills and to prepare for the
>>>>>
>>>> rigorous
>>>>
>>>>> Cisco CCIE R&S certification exams. Together, the Cisco 360
>>>>>
>>>> Learning
>>
>>> Program for CCIE R&S and the Cisco Lab Safe promotion provide
>>>>>
>>>> added
>>
>>> assurance in the quality and value of your training investment.
>>>>> How the Cisco Lab Safe Promotion Works:
>>>>> Students must meet the following criteria in order to be eligible
>>>>>
>>>> for the
>>
>>> Cisco Lab Safe promotion:
>>>>> A recommendation from their instructor
>>>>> Completed the Cisco 360 Learning Program for CCIE R&S Essentials
>>>>>
>>>> Package
>>
>>> or
>>>>
>>>>> a CIERS instructor-led workshop
>>>>> Scored 80% or better on one of the CIERS 1-4 performance
>>>>>
>>>> assessments
>>
>>> Only select Authorized Cisco Learning Partners offer the Cisco 360
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>> Program curriculum and Cisco Lab Safe promotion.
>>>>> Find out more about Cisco Lab Safe promotion and the official
>>>>>
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>>
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