Next we can just buy a number on Ebay.
-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne Lawson <groupstudy_at_ipexpert.com>
To: Brad Ellis <brad_at_ccbootcamp.com>
Cc: Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com>; <armylegionmedic_at_aol.com> <armylegionmedic_at_aol.com>; <darkfiber08_at_gmail.com> <darkfiber08_at_gmail.com>; <dane.newman_at_gmail.com> <dane.newman_at_gmail.com>; <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com> <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>; Rick Smith (smithr) <smithr_at_cisco.com>
Sent: Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:16 pm
Subject: Re: cisco lab safe
Hmmmm....?
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I guess we're seeing the CCIE being converted into the "MCSE of the 90s"....Looks like you can now "buy" your CCIE number if you purchase training from Cisco (afterall - it's all about $$ anyway - right! ;-)....I project the CCIE will be massively devalued within the next 2 years.?
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Regards,?
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Wayne A. Lawson II - CCIE #5244?
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On Sep 15, 2009, at 7:03 PM, "Brad Ellis" <brad_at_ccbootcamp.com> wrote:?
?
> Scott is comparing a grey-market program to the Cisco authorized 360?
> learning program. There are some major changes coming to the CCIE lab?
> exam. The Cisco 360 Program already has the "inside scoop" on the?
> changes coming down the pipe. The grey market folks don't have that. > If?
> you want to prepare for your lab exam properly, it's going to become?
> more and more apparent that the 360 program is the way to go. (One of?
> the big reasons why we joined the program!)?
>?
> This announcement is only one of many things to come. There will be > more?
> and more differentiators that keep making the Cisco 360 Learning > Program?
> increasingly advantageous as the best option for CCIE training over > grey?
> market competition.?
>?
> thanks,?
> Brad Ellis?
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> -----Original Message-----?
> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf > Of?
> Scott Morris?
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 3:41 PM?
> To: armylegionmedic_at_aol.com?
> Cc: darkfiber08_at_gmail.com; dane.newman_at_gmail.com; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com?
> Subject: Re: cisco lab safe?
>?
> Excellent question on that. The CCIE Essentials, though, is exactly?
> that from them, the workbooks + videos. So I was putting out the?
> option. It simply happened to be the least expensive option from us.?
>?
> By the way, according to?
> https://cisco.hosted.jivesoftware.com/docs/DOC-5857, I was incorrect > on?
> my math. You must take ALL FOUR (4 x 349 = $1,400) AND score at least?
> 80% on one of them. So their minimum investment just became $3,995 +?
> $1,400 = $5,395.?
>?
> Slice it however you want. It's marketing, and I most certainly won't?
> fault anyone for that! As always, people are capable of making their?
> own decisions on things! Just do the math.?
>?
> I'm not downplaying the program itself. I know too many of the people?
> involved and respect their capabilities all around. Not all vendors?
> selling the 360 will be the same, however, which puts a kludge into?
> things... but as long as you know what you're getting into, you are?
> welcome to select whichever flavor of apple works best for you! Some?
> may be more expensive than others despite the pretty sign next to > them!?
>?
> ;)?
>?
>?
>?
>?
> *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) > #4713,?
>?
> JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.?
>?
> JNCI-M, JNCI-ER?
>?
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> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......?
>?
>?
>?
> armylegionmedic_at_aol.com wrote:?
>> I mean, maybe this is just me, but the only price that was cheap?
>> enough to beat Cisco's deal was a CoD and Workkooks, so we arent?
>> really comparing Apples to Apples are we? If we were to look apples >> to?
>> apples or maybe like a Granny Smith vs. Mt. Washington Apple, I think?
>> that the Cisco 360 offer is looking pretty tempting. The only part?
>> that I would have to really say competes is the free re-sits. This is?
>> all IMO, but maybe I am misreading something.?
>>?
>>?
>> -----Original Message-----?
>> From: Dark Fiber <darkfiber08_at_gmail.com>?
>> To: Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com>?
>> Cc: Dane Newman <dane.newman_at_gmail.com>; Cisco certification?
>> <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>?
>> Sent: Tue, Sep 15, 2009 3:25 pm?
>> Subject: Re: cisco lab safe?
>>?
>> If I read that right $3500 and the price of a mock lab might be worth?
> it for?
>> a $1400 lab voucher if you fail. Anyone else get the same or did I?
> misread?
>> it??
>>?
>> On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com> >> wrote:?
>>?
>>> Ok.... So let's do some math on this...?
>>>?
>>> CIERS1 = $3,995?
>>> CIERS2 = $4,500?
>>> Essentials = $4,550?
>>>?
>>> Plus an Assessment lab (minimum 1, possibly more) = $349?
>>>?
>>> So at a BARE MINIMUM you are looking at $3,995 + $349 = $4,345 that?
> you?
>>> have to spend in order to get that.?
>>>?
>>> For INE's pricing, a bootcamp costs $2,995 (not including any?
>>> discounts). The mock lab workshop is $3,995 again not counting?
>>> discounts. The lab workbook set + CoD bundle = $825 + 1,695 or?
> $2,520?
>>> (not including any discounts). A mock lab (minimum 1, possibly?
> more) =?
>>> $129.?
>>>?
>>> So on price point alone, you have a minimum comparable spending (not?
>>> including discounts) of $2,649. That's a grand difference there of?
>>> $1,696, so you can spring for another lab, not need?
> pre-qualification?
>>> AND save an extra $296 to use towards your?
> airfare/hotel/food/whatever....?
>>>?
>>> Oh yeah, and you don't get re-sits in the 360 program, you can?
> attend?
>>> our classes as many times as you'd like to and whenever you'd like?
> to.?
>>>?
>>> So I'm really thinking that this kind of promotion alone is not?
> going to?
>>> swing someone one way or the other, at least unless they don't do?
> math.?
>>> But I'm sure if you work with our sales department, we would be more?
>>> than happy to charge you more money and simply spring for a lab?
> attempt?
>>> for you based on certain criteria and select vendors only.?
>>>?
>>> If you have any questions on this, feel free to contact me offline,?
> I'd?
>>> be more than happy to cover options with you. I don't see a point?
> of?
>>> dragging this on and on through a technical list (e.g. non-marketing?
> list).?
>>>?
>>>?
>>>?
>>>?
>>> *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider)?
> #4713,?
>>>?
>>> JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.?
>>>?
>>> JNCI-M, JNCI-ER?
>>>?
>>> evil_at_ine.com?
>>>?
>>>?
>>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.?
>>>?
>>> http://www.InternetworkExpert.com?
>>>?
>>> Toll Free: 877-224-8987?
>>>?
>>> Outside US: 775-826-4344?
>>>?
>>>?
>>> Knowledge is power.?
>>>?
>>> Power corrupts.?
>>>?
>>> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......?
>>>?
>>>?
>>>?
>>> Dane Newman wrote:?
>>>> I got the following email below from cisco. All I can say is imo?
> this?
>>> will?
>>>> make it harder on 3rd party vendors sadly that do offer quality?
> training.?
>>>> The chance to retake the lab for free is worth its weight in gold?
> for all?
>>>> the stress relief it can bring.?
>>>>?
>>>> Dane?
>>>>?
>>>>?
>>>>?
>>>> Cisco Lab Safe Promotion: Protect Your Training Investment?
>>>> Learning_at_Cisco is pleased to introduce the Cisco Lab Safe?
> promotion. The?
>>>> Cisco Lab Safe promotion allows qualifying Cisco. 360 Learning?
> Program?
>>> for?
>>>> CCIE. Routing & Switching students who don't pass their first CCIE?
> lab?
>>> exam?
>>>> attempt, to retake the CCIE lab exam (a $1,400 US Value) at no?
> additional?
>>>> cost.?
>>>> The Cisco 360 Learning Program for R&S guides engineers who have?
> three to?
>>>> five years of networking experience through an effective,?
> job-relevant,?
>>> and?
>>>> proven program to build expert-level skills and to prepare for the?
>>> rigorous?
>>>> Cisco CCIE R&S certification exams. Together, the Cisco 360?
> Learning?
>>>> Program for CCIE R&S and the Cisco Lab Safe promotion provide?
> added?
>>>> assurance in the quality and value of your training investment.?
>>>> How the Cisco Lab Safe Promotion Works:?
>>>> Students must meet the following criteria in order to be eligible?
> for the?
>>>> Cisco Lab Safe promotion:?
>>>> A recommendation from their instructor?
>>>> Completed the Cisco 360 Learning Program for CCIE R&S Essentials?
> Package?
>>> or?
>>>> a CIERS instructor-led workshop?
>>>> Scored 80% or better on one of the CIERS 1-4 performance?
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>>>> Only select Authorized Cisco Learning Partners offer the Cisco 360?
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