Re: cisco lab safe

Sounds like the NDA is rapidly becoming a "grey market" application. I
knew a guy from New York with a thick Italian accent that spoke a lot
like that.

Brad Ellis wrote:
> The 10,000 foot view changes to the lab exam have already been announced
> publically. The actual implementation, details, and other nuances of the
> changes have already been communicated to the Cisco 360 developers so
> they can update/modify the Cisco 360 LP program effectively. Grey market
> is not privileged to that information.
>
>
>
> thanks,
>
> Brad Ellis
>
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> From: Dark Fiber [mailto:darkfiber08_at_gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 4:09 PM
> To: Brad Ellis
> Cc: Scott Morris; armylegionmedic_at_aol.com; dane.newman_at_gmail.com;
> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com; Rick Smith (smithr)
> Subject: Re: cisco lab safe
>
>
>
> I can't see that being fair to bring up right now... What does that tell
> people who want to get started today? Wait "X" amount of time because
> their is a change coming down the line? If there is a major change
> coming down the line why isn't this being told to us right now?
>
> On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 7:03 PM, Brad Ellis <brad_at_ccbootcamp.com> wrote:
>
> Scott is comparing a grey-market program to the Cisco authorized 360
> learning program. There are some major changes coming to the CCIE lab
> exam. The Cisco 360 Program already has the "inside scoop" on the
> changes coming down the pipe. The grey market folks don't have that. If
> you want to prepare for your lab exam properly, it's going to become
> more and more apparent that the 360 program is the way to go. (One of
> the big reasons why we joined the program!)
>
> This announcement is only one of many things to come. There will be more
> and more differentiators that keep making the Cisco 360 Learning Program
> increasingly advantageous as the best option for CCIE training over grey
> market competition.
>
>
> thanks,
> Brad Ellis
> CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
> CCSI# 30482
> CEO / President
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>
> Scott Morris
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 3:41 PM
> To: armylegionmedic_at_aol.com
> Cc: darkfiber08_at_gmail.com; dane.newman_at_gmail.com; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>
> Subject: Re: cisco lab safe
>
> Excellent question on that. The CCIE Essentials, though, is exactly
> that from them, the workbooks + videos. So I was putting out the
> option. It simply happened to be the least expensive option from us.
>
> By the way, according to
> https://cisco.hosted.jivesoftware.com/docs/DOC-5857, I was incorrect on
> my math. You must take ALL FOUR (4 x 349 = $1,400) AND score at least
> 80% on one of them. So their minimum investment just became $3,995 +
> $1,400 = $5,395.
>
> Slice it however you want. It's marketing, and I most certainly won't
> fault anyone for that! As always, people are capable of making their
> own decisions on things! Just do the math.
>
> I'm not downplaying the program itself. I know too many of the people
> involved and respect their capabilities all around. Not all vendors
> selling the 360 will be the same, however, which puts a kludge into
> things... but as long as you know what you're getting into, you are
> welcome to select whichever flavor of apple works best for you! Some
> may be more expensive than others despite the pretty sign next to them!
>
> ;)
>
>
>
>
> *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,
>
> JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
>
> JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
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> evil_at_ine.com
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>
> armylegionmedic_at_aol.com wrote:
>
>> I mean, maybe this is just me, but the only price that was cheap
>> enough to beat Cisco's deal was a CoD and Workkooks, so we arent
>> really comparing Apples to Apples are we? If we were to look apples to
>> apples or maybe like a Granny Smith vs. Mt. Washington Apple, I think
>> that the Cisco 360 offer is looking pretty tempting. The only part
>> that I would have to really say competes is the free re-sits. This is
>> all IMO, but maybe I am misreading something.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dark Fiber <darkfiber08_at_gmail.com>
>> To: Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com>
>> Cc: Dane Newman <dane.newman_at_gmail.com>; Cisco certification
>> <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>> Sent: Tue, Sep 15, 2009 3:25 pm
>> Subject: Re: cisco lab safe
>>
>> If I read that right $3500 and the price of a mock lab might be worth
>>
> it for
>
>> a $1400 lab voucher if you fail. Anyone else get the same or did I
>>
> misread
>
>> it?
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Ok.... So let's do some math on this...
>>>
>>> CIERS1 = $3,995
>>> CIERS2 = $4,500
>>> Essentials = $4,550
>>>
>>> Plus an Assessment lab (minimum 1, possibly more) = $349
>>>
>>> So at a BARE MINIMUM you are looking at $3,995 + $349 = $4,345 that
>>>
> you
>
>>> have to spend in order to get that.
>>>
>>> For INE's pricing, a bootcamp costs $2,995 (not including any
>>> discounts). The mock lab workshop is $3,995 again not counting
>>> discounts. The lab workbook set + CoD bundle = $825 + 1,695 or
>>>
> $2,520
>
>>> (not including any discounts). A mock lab (minimum 1, possibly
>>>
> more) =
>
>>> $129.
>>>
>>> So on price point alone, you have a minimum comparable spending (not
>>> including discounts) of $2,649. That's a grand difference there of
>>> $1,696, so you can spring for another lab, not need
>>>
> pre-qualification
>
>>> AND save an extra $296 to use towards your
>>>
> airfare/hotel/food/whatever....
>
>>> Oh yeah, and you don't get re-sits in the 360 program, you can
>>>
> attend
>
>>> our classes as many times as you'd like to and whenever you'd like
>>>
> to.
>
>>> So I'm really thinking that this kind of promotion alone is not
>>>
> going to
>
>>> swing someone one way or the other, at least unless they don't do
>>>
> math.
>
>>> But I'm sure if you work with our sales department, we would be more
>>> than happy to charge you more money and simply spring for a lab
>>>
> attempt
>
>>> for you based on certain criteria and select vendors only.
>>>
>>> If you have any questions on this, feel free to contact me offline,
>>>
> I'd
>
>>> be more than happy to cover options with you. I don't see a point
>>>
> of
>
>>> dragging this on and on through a technical list (e.g. non-marketing
>>>
> list).
>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider)
>>>
> #4713,
>
>>> JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
>>>
>>> JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
>>>
>>> evil_at_ine.com
>>>
>>>
>>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>>>
>>> http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
>>>
>>> Toll Free: 877-224-8987
>>>
>>> Outside US: 775-826-4344
>>>
>>>
>>> Knowledge is power.
>>>
>>> Power corrupts.
>>>
>>> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dane Newman wrote:
>>>
>>>> I got the following email below from cisco. All I can say is imo
>>>>
> this
>
>>> will
>>>
>>>> make it harder on 3rd party vendors sadly that do offer quality
>>>>
> training.
>
>>>> The chance to retake the lab for free is worth its weight in gold
>>>>
> for all
>
>>>> the stress relief it can bring.
>>>>
>>>> Dane
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cisco Lab Safe Promotion: Protect Your Training Investment
>>>> Learning_at_Cisco is pleased to introduce the Cisco Lab Safe
>>>>
> promotion. The
>
>>>> Cisco Lab Safe promotion allows qualifying Cisco. 360 Learning
>>>>
> Program
>
>>> for
>>>
>>>> CCIE. Routing & Switching students who don't pass their first CCIE
>>>>
> lab
>
>>> exam
>>>
>>>> attempt, to retake the CCIE lab exam (a $1,400 US Value) at no
>>>>
> additional
>
>>>> cost.
>>>> The Cisco 360 Learning Program for R&S guides engineers who have
>>>>
> three to
>
>>>> five years of networking experience through an effective,
>>>>
> job-relevant,
>
>>> and
>>>
>>>> proven program to build expert-level skills and to prepare for the
>>>>
>>> rigorous
>>>
>>>> Cisco CCIE R&S certification exams. Together, the Cisco 360
>>>>
> Learning
>
>>>> Program for CCIE R&S and the Cisco Lab Safe promotion provide
>>>>
> added
>
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>>>> How the Cisco Lab Safe Promotion Works:
>>>> Students must meet the following criteria in order to be eligible
>>>>
> for the
>
>>>> Cisco Lab Safe promotion:
>>>> A recommendation from their instructor
>>>> Completed the Cisco 360 Learning Program for CCIE R&S Essentials
>>>>
> Package
>
>>> or
>>>
>>>> a CIERS instructor-led workshop
>>>> Scored 80% or better on one of the CIERS 1-4 performance
>>>>
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>
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