Re: cisco lab safe

Maybe going the way of VMWARE. Who knows

On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 4:21 PM, <armylegionmedic_at_aol.com> wrote:

> Next we can just buy a number on Ebay.
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> From: Wayne Lawson <groupstudy_at_ipexpert.com>
> To: Brad Ellis <brad_at_ccbootcamp.com>
> Cc: Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com>; <armylegionmedic_at_aol.com> <
> armylegionmedic_at_aol.com>; <darkfiber08_at_gmail.com> <darkfiber08_at_gmail.com>;
> <dane.newman_at_gmail.com> <dane.newman_at_gmail.com>; <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>; Rick Smith (smithr) <smithr_at_cisco.com>
> Sent: Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:16 pm
> Subject: Re: cisco lab safe
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> Hmmmm....?
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> I guess we're seeing the CCIE being converted into the "MCSE of the
> 90s"....Looks like you can now "buy" your CCIE number if you purchase
> training from Cisco (afterall - it's all about $$ anyway - right! ;-)....I
> project the CCIE will be massively devalued within the next 2 years.?
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> Regards,?
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> Wayne A. Lawson II - CCIE #5244?
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> On Sep 15, 2009, at 7:03 PM, "Brad Ellis" <brad_at_ccbootcamp.com> wrote:?
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> > Scott is comparing a grey-market program to the Cisco authorized 360?
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> > learning program. There are some major changes coming to the CCIE lab?
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> > exam. The Cisco 360 Program already has the "inside scoop" on the?
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> > changes coming down the pipe. The grey market folks don't have that. >
> If?
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> > you want to prepare for your lab exam properly, it's going to become?
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> > more and more apparent that the 360 program is the way to go. (One of?
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> > the big reasons why we joined the program!)?
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> > This announcement is only one of many things to come. There will be >
> more?
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> > and more differentiators that keep making the Cisco 360 Learning >
> Program?
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> > increasingly advantageous as the best option for CCIE training over >
> grey?
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> > market competition.?
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> > thanks,?
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> > -----Original Message-----?
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> > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf >
> Of?
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> > Scott Morris?
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> > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 3:41 PM?
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> > To: armylegionmedic_at_aol.com?
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> > Cc: darkfiber08_at_gmail.com; dane.newman_at_gmail.com; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
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> > Subject: Re: cisco lab safe?
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> >?
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> > Excellent question on that. The CCIE Essentials, though, is exactly?
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> > that from them, the workbooks + videos. So I was putting out the?
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> > option. It simply happened to be the least expensive option from us.?
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> >?
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> > By the way, according to?
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> > https://cisco.hosted.jivesoftware.com/docs/DOC-5857, I was incorrect >
> on?
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> > my math. You must take ALL FOUR (4 x 349 = $1,400) AND score at least?
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> > 80% on one of them. So their minimum investment just became $3,995 +?
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> > $1,400 = $5,395.?
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> >?
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> > Slice it however you want. It's marketing, and I most certainly won't?
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> > fault anyone for that! As always, people are capable of making their?
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> > own decisions on things! Just do the math.?
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> >?
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> > I'm not downplaying the program itself. I know too many of the people?
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> > involved and respect their capabilities all around. Not all vendors?
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> > selling the 360 will be the same, however, which puts a kludge into?
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> > things... but as long as you know what you're getting into, you are?
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> > welcome to select whichever flavor of apple works best for you! Some?
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> > may be more expensive than others despite the pretty sign next to >
> them!?
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> >?
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> > ;)?
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> >?
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> >?
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> >?
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> >?
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> > *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) >
> #4713,?
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> > JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.?
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> >?
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> > JNCI-M, JNCI-ER?
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> >?
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> > evil_at_ine.com?
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> > Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......?
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> > armylegionmedic_at_aol.com wrote:?
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> >> I mean, maybe this is just me, but the only price that was cheap?
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> >> enough to beat Cisco's deal was a CoD and Workkooks, so we arent?
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> >> really comparing Apples to Apples are we? If we were to look apples >>
> to?
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> >> apples or maybe like a Granny Smith vs. Mt. Washington Apple, I think?
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> >> that the Cisco 360 offer is looking pretty tempting. The only part?
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> >> that I would have to really say competes is the free re-sits. This is?
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> >> all IMO, but maybe I am misreading something.?
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> >>?
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> >>?
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> >> -----Original Message-----?
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> >> From: Dark Fiber <darkfiber08_at_gmail.com>?
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> >> To: Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com>?
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> >> Cc: Dane Newman <dane.newman_at_gmail.com>; Cisco certification?
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> >> <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>?
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> >> Sent: Tue, Sep 15, 2009 3:25 pm?
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> >> Subject: Re: cisco lab safe?
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> >>?
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> >> If I read that right $3500 and the price of a mock lab might be worth?
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> > it for?
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> >> a $1400 lab voucher if you fail. Anyone else get the same or did I?
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> > misread?
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> >> it??
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> >>?
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> >> On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com> >>
> wrote:?
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> >>?
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> >>> Ok.... So let's do some math on this...?
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> >>>?
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> >>> CIERS1 = $3,995?
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> >>> CIERS2 = $4,500?
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> >>> Essentials = $4,550?
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> >>>?
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> >>> Plus an Assessment lab (minimum 1, possibly more) = $349?
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> >>>?
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> >>> So at a BARE MINIMUM you are looking at $3,995 + $349 = $4,345 that?
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> > you?
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> >>> have to spend in order to get that.?
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> >>>?
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> >>> For INE's pricing, a bootcamp costs $2,995 (not including any?
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> >>> discounts). The mock lab workshop is $3,995 again not counting?
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> >>> discounts. The lab workbook set + CoD bundle = $825 + 1,695 or?
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> > $2,520?
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> >>> (not including any discounts). A mock lab (minimum 1, possibly?
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> > more) =?
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> >>> $129.?
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> >>>?
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> >>> So on price point alone, you have a minimum comparable spending (not?
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> >>> including discounts) of $2,649. That's a grand difference there of?
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> >>> $1,696, so you can spring for another lab, not need?
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> > pre-qualification?
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> >>> AND save an extra $296 to use towards your?
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> > airfare/hotel/food/whatever....?
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> >>>?
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> >>> Oh yeah, and you don't get re-sits in the 360 program, you can?
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> > attend?
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> >>> our classes as many times as you'd like to and whenever you'd like?
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> > to.?
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> >>>?
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> >>> So I'm really thinking that this kind of promotion alone is not?
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> > going to?
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> >>> swing someone one way or the other, at least unless they don't do?
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> > math.?
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> >>> But I'm sure if you work with our sales department, we would be more?
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> >>> than happy to charge you more money and simply spring for a lab?
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> > attempt?
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> >>> for you based on certain criteria and select vendors only.?
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> >>>?
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> >>> If you have any questions on this, feel free to contact me offline,?
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> > I'd?
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> >>> be more than happy to cover options with you. I don't see a point?
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> > of?
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> >>> dragging this on and on through a technical list (e.g. non-marketing?
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> > list).?
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> >>>?
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> >>>?
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> >>>?
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> >>>?
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> >>> *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider)?
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> > #4713,?
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> >>>?
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> >>> JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.?
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> >>>?
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> >>> JNCI-M, JNCI-ER?
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> >>>?
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> >>> evil_at_ine.com?
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> >>>?
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> >>>?
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> >>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.?
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> >>>?
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> >>> http://www.InternetworkExpert.com?
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> >>>?
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> >>> Toll Free: 877-224-8987?
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> >>>?
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> >>> Outside US: 775-826-4344?
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> >>>?
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> >>>?
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> >>> Knowledge is power.?
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> >>>?
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> >>> Power corrupts.?
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> >>>?
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> >>> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......?
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> >>>?
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> >>>?
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> >>>?
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> >>> Dane Newman wrote:?
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> >>>> I got the following email below from cisco. All I can say is imo?
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> > this?
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> >>> will?
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> >>>> make it harder on 3rd party vendors sadly that do offer quality?
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> > training.?
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> >>>> The chance to retake the lab for free is worth its weight in gold?
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> > for all?
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> >>>> the stress relief it can bring.?
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> >>>>?
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> >>>> Dane?
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> >>>>?
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> >>>>?
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> >>>>?
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> >>>> Cisco Lab Safe Promotion: Protect Your Training Investment?
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> >>>> Learning_at_Cisco is pleased to introduce the Cisco Lab Safe?
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> > promotion. The?
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> >>>> Cisco Lab Safe promotion allows qualifying Cisco. 360 Learning?
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> > Program?
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> >>> for?
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> >>>> CCIE. Routing & Switching students who don't pass their first CCIE?
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> > lab?
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> >>> exam?
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> >>>> attempt, to retake the CCIE lab exam (a $1,400 US Value) at no?
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> > additional?
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> >>>> cost.?
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> >>>> The Cisco 360 Learning Program for R&S guides engineers who have?
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> > three to?
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> >>>> five years of networking experience through an effective,?
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> > job-relevant,?
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> >>> and?
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> >>>> proven program to build expert-level skills and to prepare for the?
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> >>> rigorous?
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> >>>> Cisco CCIE R&S certification exams. Together, the Cisco 360?
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> > Learning?
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> >>>> Program for CCIE R&S and the Cisco Lab Safe promotion provide?
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> > added?
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> >>>> assurance in the quality and value of your training investment.?
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> >>>> How the Cisco Lab Safe Promotion Works:?
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> >>>> Students must meet the following criteria in order to be eligible?
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> > for the?
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> >>>> Cisco Lab Safe promotion:?
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> >>>> A recommendation from their instructor?
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> >>>> Completed the Cisco 360 Learning Program for CCIE R&S Essentials?
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> > Package?
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> >>> or?
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> >>>> a CIERS instructor-led workshop?
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> >>>> Scored 80% or better on one of the CIERS 1-4 performance?
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> > assessments?
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> >>>> Only select Authorized Cisco Learning Partners offer the Cisco 360?
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> >>>> Program curriculum and Cisco Lab Safe promotion.?
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