Re: R&S 4.0 blueprint

Oh, so you're saying anyone who passed before the OEQ isn't really a CCIE. Got it!

---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: Michael Jones <majonestx_at_gmail.com>
Reply-To: Michael Jones <majonestx_at_gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:12:38 -0500

>If you can't answer OEQ, you're not a CCIE.
>
>The same people who are disgruntled about OEQ, will praise it once they
>become CCIE and the numbers remain low because of the very questions that
>caused hurdles for them in the first place.
>
>I went to UPENN and the biggest lesson I learned there, was that things like
>OEQ, are nothing more than walls/deterrents to thwart off the weak. These
>mentioned walls only measure how high you'll climb to get to your
>destination.
>
>Oh well, back to listening to Boards of Canada and reading the DOC CD on
>MPLS.
>
>:)
>
>On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Nadeem Rafi <nrafia_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> wise will not book for at least before January....
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 11:05 PM, <Charles.Henson_at_regions.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Some of this is actually serving my point. How deep can you get with a
>>> ground up build out of a lab in 5.5 hours? Sure. It's the CCIE exam.
>>> ANYTHING GOES. But I'm very curious how this will work out. Looking
>>> forward
>>> to hearing feedback (non-NDA of course) from late Octobers first victims.
>>> I'm not even scheduling a lab for V4 until I hear back from some survivors
>>> (passed or not) on how it was.
>>>
>>> Charles
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Darby Weaver <darby.weaver_at_gmail.com>
>>>
>>> To: Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
>>>
>>> Cc: Christopher Copley <copley.chris_at_gmail.com>, michael haynes
>>> <mghaynes_at_gmail.com>,
>>> Charles.Henson_at_regions.com, ALL From_NJ <
>>> all.from.nj_at_gmail.com>, abderrahim sadki <a_sadki1_at_hotmail.com>,
>>> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com, iwan_at_ipexpert.com,
>>> jastorino_at_ipexpert.com, majonestx_at_gmail.com, Marko Milivojevic
>>> <markom_at_markom.info>, netwkengr_at_gmail.com,
>>> nobody_at_groupstudy.com, smorris_at_ine.com
>>>
>>> Date: 09/14/2009 02:40 PM
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: R&S 4.0 blueprint
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ummm...
>>>
>>> Unless you fail...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 2:05 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> Don't worry if you have done the right thing during your studies/Prep,
>>> you will pass with no problems, it will be ridiculously easy.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Christopher Copley <
>>> copley.chris_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>> This new trouble shoot section just made me think. Is it only going to
>>> be just trouble shooting IOS issues, or will they make you trouble shoot
>>> physical issue as well (i.e. disconnected cables, broken serial pins,
>>> etc). I am not 100% sure, but if my memory serves me I think that a
>>> CCIE friend of mine that passed the 2 day lab, said that they would make
>>> you trouble shoot physical issues as well.
>>> Any thoughts?
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 1:43 PM, michael haynes <mghaynes_at_gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> My wife and I often say to each other we wish Cisco would bring back
>>> the two day lab. Yes, it would be a bit more painful to go through
>>> for the student, a bit more painful for the proctor to grade and
>>> participate in, but I don't think there'd be much discussion that the
>>> candidate knew what they were talking about.
>>>
>>> This new troubleshooting portion just doesn't have the same glamour as
>>> the old test ;)
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 1:35 PM, <Charles.Henson_at_regions.com> wrote:
>>> I think it's funny how this thread is pretty clear that with the
>>> breadth of
>>> features and functions you could be tested on and the new timeline
>>> you have
>>> given the troubleshooting portion that the "depth" of each area will
>>> be
>>> "basic". I agree that there is so much to cover and not enough time
>>> to pack
>>> it all in to one 8 hour test. I also agree that anyone passing the
>>> 4.0 lab
>>> still should be respected. But you have to admit the irony of a CCIE
>>> (EXPERT) groupstudy lab discussion pointing out the "basic" depth of
>>> features and technologies.
>>>
>>> Anyone for bringing back the two day lab? :) I kid I kid... Let me
>>> pass
>>> first....
>>>
>>> Charles From: ALL From_NJ <all.from.nj_at_gmail.com> To:
>>> Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com> Cc: Marko Milivojevic
>>> <
>>> markom_at_markom.info>, abderrahim sadki <a_sadki1_at_hotmail.com>,
>>> netwkengr_at_gmail.com, jastorino_at_ipexpert.com,
>>> darby.weaver_at_gmail.com, smorris_at_ine.com, majonestx_at_gmail.com,
>>> iwan_at_ipexpert.com,
>>> copley.chris_at_gmail.com, ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>>>
>>> Date: 09/14/2009 11:52 AM
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: R&S 4.0 blueprint
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Things get even more fun when you add / combine / cloud / muddy up
>>> the
>>> waters by including port security and dot1x ...
>>>
>>> lol ...
>>>
>>> Yep, not much here. "nothing to see folks, move along"
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Narbik Kocharians
>>> <narbikk_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>> > hahahaha they should add some more
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Marko Milivojevic <
>>> markom_at_markom.info
>>> > >wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 13:10, abderrahim sadki <
>>> a_sadki1_at_hotmail.com>
>>> > > wrote:
>>> > > > Hi all,
>>> > > >
>>> > > > I have a silly question.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > should we focus our studies according to the blueprint ? As
>>> when I
>>> > > looked
>>> > > > at it , I don' t see much of layer 2 technology for example.
>>> > >
>>> > > If we exclude:
>>> > >
>>> > > 1.00 Implement Layer 2 Technologies
>>> > >
>>> > > 1.10 Implement Spanning Tree Protocol (STP)
>>> > > (a) 802.1d
>>> > > (b) 802.1w
>>> > > (c) 801.1s
>>> > > (d) Loop guard
>>> > > (e) Root guard
>>> > > (f) Bridge protocol data unit (BPDU) guard
>>> > > (g) Storm control
>>> > > (h) Unicast flooding
>>> > > (i) Port roles, failure propagation, and loop guard operation
>>> > >
>>> > > 1.20 Implement VLAN and VLAN Trunking Protocol (VTP)
>>> > >
>>> > > 1.30 Implement trunk and trunk protocols, EtherChannel, and
>>> > load-balance
>>> > >
>>> > > 1.40 Implement Ethernet technologies
>>> > > (a) Speed and duplex
>>> > > (b) Ethernet, Fast Ethernet, and Gigabit Ethernet
>>> > > (c) PPP over Ethernet (PPPoE)
>>> > >
>>> > > 1.50 Implement Switched Port Analyzer (SPAN), Remote Switched
>>> Port
>>> > > Analyzer (RSPAN), and flow control
>>> > >
>>> > > 1.60 Implement Frame Relay
>>> > > (a) Local Management Interface (LMI)
>>> > > (b) Traffic shaping
>>> > > (c) Full mesh
>>> > > (d) Hub and spoke
>>> > > (e) Discard eligible (DE)
>>> > >
>>> > > 1.70 Implement High-Level Data Link Control (HDLC) and PPP
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > you are quite right - there are not that many left :-)
>>> > >
>>> > > --
>>> > > Marko
>>> > > CCIE #18427 (SP)
>>> > > My network blog: http://cisco.markom.info/
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
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