Re: R&S 4.0 blueprint

I'm talking about the test in its present form...

That was/is the mentality I use when going to take the lab. If I were to
fail OEQ, I'm simply not ready to be CCIE.

On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 5:13 PM, K <ccie_at_mail.thekamels.com> wrote:

> Oh, so you're saying anyone who passed before the OEQ isn't really a CCIE.
> Got it!
>
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> From: Michael Jones <majonestx_at_gmail.com>
> Reply-To: Michael Jones <majonestx_at_gmail.com>
> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:12:38 -0500
>
> >If you can't answer OEQ, you're not a CCIE.
> >
> >The same people who are disgruntled about OEQ, will praise it once they
> >become CCIE and the numbers remain low because of the very questions that
> >caused hurdles for them in the first place.
> >
> >I went to UPENN and the biggest lesson I learned there, was that things
> like
> >OEQ, are nothing more than walls/deterrents to thwart off the weak. These
> >mentioned walls only measure how high you'll climb to get to your
> >destination.
> >
> >Oh well, back to listening to Boards of Canada and reading the DOC CD on
> >MPLS.
> >
> >:)
> >
> >On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Nadeem Rafi <nrafia_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> wise will not book for at least before January....
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 11:05 PM, <Charles.Henson_at_regions.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Some of this is actually serving my point. How deep can you get with a
> >>> ground up build out of a lab in 5.5 hours? Sure. It's the CCIE exam.
> >>> ANYTHING GOES. But I'm very curious how this will work out. Looking
> >>> forward
> >>> to hearing feedback (non-NDA of course) from late Octobers first
> victims.
> >>> I'm not even scheduling a lab for V4 until I hear back from some
> survivors
> >>> (passed or not) on how it was.
> >>>
> >>> Charles
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: Darby Weaver <darby.weaver_at_gmail.com>
> >>>
> >>> To: Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
> >>>
> >>> Cc: Christopher Copley <copley.chris_at_gmail.com>, michael
> haynes
> >>> <mghaynes_at_gmail.com>,
> >>> Charles.Henson_at_regions.com, ALL From_NJ <
> >>> all.from.nj_at_gmail.com>, abderrahim sadki <a_sadki1_at_hotmail.com>,
> >>> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com, iwan_at_ipexpert.com,
> >>> jastorino_at_ipexpert.com, majonestx_at_gmail.com, Marko Milivojevic
> >>> <markom_at_markom.info>, netwkengr_at_gmail.com,
> >>> nobody_at_groupstudy.com, smorris_at_ine.com
> >>>
> >>> Date: 09/14/2009 02:40 PM
> >>>
> >>> Subject: Re: R&S 4.0 blueprint
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Ummm...
> >>>
> >>> Unless you fail...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 2:05 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> Don't worry if you have done the right thing during your studies/Prep,
> >>> you will pass with no problems, it will be ridiculously easy.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Christopher Copley <
> >>> copley.chris_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> This new trouble shoot section just made me think. Is it only going
> to
> >>> be just trouble shooting IOS issues, or will they make you trouble
> shoot
> >>> physical issue as well (i.e. disconnected cables, broken serial pins,
> >>> etc). I am not 100% sure, but if my memory serves me I think that a
> >>> CCIE friend of mine that passed the 2 day lab, said that they would
> make
> >>> you trouble shoot physical issues as well.
> >>> Any thoughts?
> >>>
> >>> Chris
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 1:43 PM, michael haynes <mghaynes_at_gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> My wife and I often say to each other we wish Cisco would bring
> back
> >>> the two day lab. Yes, it would be a bit more painful to go through
> >>> for the student, a bit more painful for the proctor to grade and
> >>> participate in, but I don't think there'd be much discussion that
> the
> >>> candidate knew what they were talking about.
> >>>
> >>> This new troubleshooting portion just doesn't have the same glamour
> as
> >>> the old test ;)
> >>>
> >>> Michael
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 1:35 PM, <Charles.Henson_at_regions.com>
> wrote:
> >>> I think it's funny how this thread is pretty clear that with the
> >>> breadth of
> >>> features and functions you could be tested on and the new timeline
> >>> you have
> >>> given the troubleshooting portion that the "depth" of each area
> will
> >>> be
> >>> "basic". I agree that there is so much to cover and not enough
> time
> >>> to pack
> >>> it all in to one 8 hour test. I also agree that anyone passing the
> >>> 4.0 lab
> >>> still should be respected. But you have to admit the irony of a
> CCIE
> >>> (EXPERT) groupstudy lab discussion pointing out the "basic" depth
> of
> >>> features and technologies.
> >>>
> >>> Anyone for bringing back the two day lab? :) I kid I kid... Let me
> >>> pass
> >>> first....
> >>>
> >>> Charles From: ALL From_NJ <all.from.nj_at_gmail.com> To:
> >>> Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com> Cc: Marko
> Milivojevic
> >>> <
> >>> markom_at_markom.info>, abderrahim sadki <a_sadki1_at_hotmail.com>,
> >>> netwkengr_at_gmail.com, jastorino_at_ipexpert.com,
> >>> darby.weaver_at_gmail.com, smorris_at_ine.com, majonestx_at_gmail.com,
> >>> iwan_at_ipexpert.com,
> >>> copley.chris_at_gmail.com, ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> >>>
> >>> Date: 09/14/2009 11:52 AM
> >>>
> >>> Subject: Re: R&S 4.0 blueprint
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Things get even more fun when you add / combine / cloud / muddy up
> >>> the
> >>> waters by including port security and dot1x ...
> >>>
> >>> lol ...
> >>>
> >>> Yep, not much here. "nothing to see folks, move along"
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Narbik Kocharians
> >>> <narbikk_at_gmail.com>wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > hahahaha they should add some more
> >>> >
> >>> > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Marko Milivojevic <
> >>> markom_at_markom.info
> >>> > >wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 13:10, abderrahim sadki <
> >>> a_sadki1_at_hotmail.com>
> >>> > > wrote:
> >>> > > > Hi all,
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > I have a silly question.
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > should we focus our studies according to the blueprint ? As
> >>> when I
> >>> > > looked
> >>> > > > at it , I don' t see much of layer 2 technology for example.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > If we exclude:
> >>> > >
> >>> > > 1.00 Implement Layer 2 Technologies
> >>> > >
> >>> > > 1.10 Implement Spanning Tree Protocol (STP)
> >>> > > (a) 802.1d
> >>> > > (b) 802.1w
> >>> > > (c) 801.1s
> >>> > > (d) Loop guard
> >>> > > (e) Root guard
> >>> > > (f) Bridge protocol data unit (BPDU) guard
> >>> > > (g) Storm control
> >>> > > (h) Unicast flooding
> >>> > > (i) Port roles, failure propagation, and loop guard operation
> >>> > >
> >>> > > 1.20 Implement VLAN and VLAN Trunking Protocol (VTP)
> >>> > >
> >>> > > 1.30 Implement trunk and trunk protocols, EtherChannel, and
> >>> > load-balance
> >>> > >
> >>> > > 1.40 Implement Ethernet technologies
> >>> > > (a) Speed and duplex
> >>> > > (b) Ethernet, Fast Ethernet, and Gigabit Ethernet
> >>> > > (c) PPP over Ethernet (PPPoE)
> >>> > >
> >>> > > 1.50 Implement Switched Port Analyzer (SPAN), Remote
> Switched
> >>> Port
> >>> > > Analyzer (RSPAN), and flow control
> >>> > >
> >>> > > 1.60 Implement Frame Relay
> >>> > > (a) Local Management Interface (LMI)
> >>> > > (b) Traffic shaping
> >>> > > (c) Full mesh
> >>> > > (d) Hub and spoke
> >>> > > (e) Discard eligible (DE)
> >>> > >
> >>> > > 1.70 Implement High-Level Data Link Control (HDLC) and PPP
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > > you are quite right - there are not that many left :-)
> >>> > >
> >>> > > --
> >>> > > Marko
> >>> > > CCIE #18427 (SP)
> >>> > > My network blog: http://cisco.markom.info/
> >>> > >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > --
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