Re: R&S 4.0 blueprint

If you can't answer OEQ, you're not a CCIE.

The same people who are disgruntled about OEQ, will praise it once they
become CCIE and the numbers remain low because of the very questions that
caused hurdles for them in the first place.

I went to UPENN and the biggest lesson I learned there, was that things like
OEQ, are nothing more than walls/deterrents to thwart off the weak. These
mentioned walls only measure how high you'll climb to get to your
destination.

Oh well, back to listening to Boards of Canada and reading the DOC CD on
MPLS.

:)

On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Nadeem Rafi <nrafia_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> wise will not book for at least before January....
>
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> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 11:05 PM, <Charles.Henson_at_regions.com> wrote:
>
>> Some of this is actually serving my point. How deep can you get with a
>> ground up build out of a lab in 5.5 hours? Sure. It's the CCIE exam.
>> ANYTHING GOES. But I'm very curious how this will work out. Looking
>> forward
>> to hearing feedback (non-NDA of course) from late Octobers first victims.
>> I'm not even scheduling a lab for V4 until I hear back from some survivors
>> (passed or not) on how it was.
>>
>> Charles
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>> From: Darby Weaver <darby.weaver_at_gmail.com>
>>
>> To: Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
>>
>> Cc: Christopher Copley <copley.chris_at_gmail.com>, michael haynes
>> <mghaynes_at_gmail.com>,
>> Charles.Henson_at_regions.com, ALL From_NJ <
>> all.from.nj_at_gmail.com>, abderrahim sadki <a_sadki1_at_hotmail.com>,
>> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com, iwan_at_ipexpert.com,
>> jastorino_at_ipexpert.com, majonestx_at_gmail.com, Marko Milivojevic
>> <markom_at_markom.info>, netwkengr_at_gmail.com,
>> nobody_at_groupstudy.com, smorris_at_ine.com
>>
>> Date: 09/14/2009 02:40 PM
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>> Subject: Re: R&S 4.0 blueprint
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>> Ummm...
>>
>> Unless you fail...
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>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 2:05 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> Don't worry if you have done the right thing during your studies/Prep,
>> you will pass with no problems, it will be ridiculously easy.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Christopher Copley <
>> copley.chris_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>> This new trouble shoot section just made me think. Is it only going to
>> be just trouble shooting IOS issues, or will they make you trouble shoot
>> physical issue as well (i.e. disconnected cables, broken serial pins,
>> etc). I am not 100% sure, but if my memory serves me I think that a
>> CCIE friend of mine that passed the 2 day lab, said that they would make
>> you trouble shoot physical issues as well.
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 1:43 PM, michael haynes <mghaynes_at_gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> My wife and I often say to each other we wish Cisco would bring back
>> the two day lab. Yes, it would be a bit more painful to go through
>> for the student, a bit more painful for the proctor to grade and
>> participate in, but I don't think there'd be much discussion that the
>> candidate knew what they were talking about.
>>
>> This new troubleshooting portion just doesn't have the same glamour as
>> the old test ;)
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 1:35 PM, <Charles.Henson_at_regions.com> wrote:
>> I think it's funny how this thread is pretty clear that with the
>> breadth of
>> features and functions you could be tested on and the new timeline
>> you have
>> given the troubleshooting portion that the "depth" of each area will
>> be
>> "basic". I agree that there is so much to cover and not enough time
>> to pack
>> it all in to one 8 hour test. I also agree that anyone passing the
>> 4.0 lab
>> still should be respected. But you have to admit the irony of a CCIE
>> (EXPERT) groupstudy lab discussion pointing out the "basic" depth of
>> features and technologies.
>>
>> Anyone for bringing back the two day lab? :) I kid I kid... Let me
>> pass
>> first....
>>
>> Charles From: ALL From_NJ <all.from.nj_at_gmail.com> To:
>> Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com> Cc: Marko Milivojevic
>> <
>> markom_at_markom.info>, abderrahim sadki <a_sadki1_at_hotmail.com>,
>> netwkengr_at_gmail.com, jastorino_at_ipexpert.com,
>> darby.weaver_at_gmail.com, smorris_at_ine.com, majonestx_at_gmail.com,
>> iwan_at_ipexpert.com,
>> copley.chris_at_gmail.com, ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>>
>> Date: 09/14/2009 11:52 AM
>>
>> Subject: Re: R&S 4.0 blueprint
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>> Things get even more fun when you add / combine / cloud / muddy up
>> the
>> waters by including port security and dot1x ...
>>
>> lol ...
>>
>> Yep, not much here. "nothing to see folks, move along"
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Narbik Kocharians
>> <narbikk_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>> > hahahaha they should add some more
>> >
>> > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Marko Milivojevic <
>> markom_at_markom.info
>> > >wrote:
>> >
>> > > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 13:10, abderrahim sadki <
>> a_sadki1_at_hotmail.com>
>> > > wrote:
>> > > > Hi all,
>> > > >
>> > > > I have a silly question.
>> > > >
>> > > > should we focus our studies according to the blueprint ? As
>> when I
>> > > looked
>> > > > at it , I don' t see much of layer 2 technology for example.
>> > >
>> > > If we exclude:
>> > >
>> > > 1.00 Implement Layer 2 Technologies
>> > >
>> > > 1.10 Implement Spanning Tree Protocol (STP)
>> > > (a) 802.1d
>> > > (b) 802.1w
>> > > (c) 801.1s
>> > > (d) Loop guard
>> > > (e) Root guard
>> > > (f) Bridge protocol data unit (BPDU) guard
>> > > (g) Storm control
>> > > (h) Unicast flooding
>> > > (i) Port roles, failure propagation, and loop guard operation
>> > >
>> > > 1.20 Implement VLAN and VLAN Trunking Protocol (VTP)
>> > >
>> > > 1.30 Implement trunk and trunk protocols, EtherChannel, and
>> > load-balance
>> > >
>> > > 1.40 Implement Ethernet technologies
>> > > (a) Speed and duplex
>> > > (b) Ethernet, Fast Ethernet, and Gigabit Ethernet
>> > > (c) PPP over Ethernet (PPPoE)
>> > >
>> > > 1.50 Implement Switched Port Analyzer (SPAN), Remote Switched
>> Port
>> > > Analyzer (RSPAN), and flow control
>> > >
>> > > 1.60 Implement Frame Relay
>> > > (a) Local Management Interface (LMI)
>> > > (b) Traffic shaping
>> > > (c) Full mesh
>> > > (d) Hub and spoke
>> > > (e) Discard eligible (DE)
>> > >
>> > > 1.70 Implement High-Level Data Link Control (HDLC) and PPP
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > you are quite right - there are not that many left :-)
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Marko
>> > > CCIE #18427 (SP)
>> > > My network blog: http://cisco.markom.info/
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
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